when i go into a game as a jungler i hate when someone is losing lane and they blame it on me, especially if i do gank for them AND they've been successful. So I want to know where the line is drawn between the laner losing his or her lane or if it is my fault for giving them no help?
IMO it’s never the junglers fault if a lane is lost unless it’s the jungler who fed the enemy laner.
Even if I’m ganked constantly while my jungler is helping other lanes, I won’t blame my jungler (I’ll be angry though cause no one likes a camper). I shouldn’t be expecting help anyway, ganks are pretty much a privilege in top lane.
It depends on what's being done. If the Jungler's AFK farming, while a lane is dying, then they're usually at fault. And if anyone's feeding, then they're at fault. But besides that, it's a bit hard to tell.
It's better to not bother to blame anyone in the first place, however.
This shouldn't be seen in categories of 'fault'. Yeah, if enemy jungler puts vastly more pressure on lane than you do, the lane will be most likely lost due to your decision, but as long as you use your time elsewhere it shouldn't be seen as thing you can be blamed for.
Depends, If your laner is getting stomped 1v1 with no pressure from the enemy junler, His fault.
If he gets ganked nonstop but constantly shoves and dosent ward. His fault.
If he sets up a freeze, wards properly and is getting camped and tower dove by the top/jungle and he asks you nicely for help and even points out the freeze/ summoners the enemy dosent have and you havent been putting any pressure anywhere on the map, then the junglers at fault.
If you play a level 3 fiddle sticks and try to towerdive a level 6 gnar when i ping i have no mana to help you and you feed him doublebuffs. Its your fault.
Losing lane in a 1v1 or 2v2 scenario is entirely their own fault. Now, losing lane comes down to a lot of factors such as matchup and skill (picking a scaling vs early game bully).
Junglers have the power to skew lanes in their teams favor through applying and relieving pressure.
Junglers can easily unintentionally make their allies lanes harder when they think they're helping, such as taxing XP (waiting in lane brush for too long), shoving or pushing minion waves into the enemys advantage (setting a slow push to the enemy tower where they can freeze It), or not recognizing the opportunities available to them.
The more laners understand about minion wave management, the more they can help junglers out in their job. If I'm top lane, I can recognize when I can set up a freeze closer to my tower and call for a jungler gank a minute in advance "Hey finish that camp or two then come top, free kill," or pinging when their flashes/sums are down. If the jungler refuses to take advantage of this that's fine, but I'd hope they make use of the time better than taking just taking a camp.
My personal advice and opinion on junglers (from an ADC main) is they should help the snowball of winning lanes. Gank a lane, force sums, and return within the next few minutes. The pressure that you apply to that lane will spread further through mid game rotations than the losing lane could ever do by getting help to just go even.
If my jungler refuses to gank botlane but they get top lane fed, top lane can shove to roam mid, paired with jungler as a 3v1 gank. TP bot for the fiestas. Ganking for the bot lane into taking the first tower should lead to a rotation of botlane going top and taking a 2nd tower, or a dragon.
i only consider it the junglers fault if they are afk farming while the enemy jungle is ganking. if we are pushed up or the enemy jungler ganks while they're ganking another lane or any other situation in which they are doing something it's not the junglers problem.
Obviously if you feed the enemy laners, it's your fault.
The outcome of your game could also be your fault if you are strictly farming and not warding or attempting to put pressure on a lane in some way.
Really, the lanes are the laners responsibility. If they are feeding because the enemy jungler is pulling a Call of Duty and camping them, you and your team need to capitalize and put pressure on another lane since ganking a fed lane usually isn't a good idea.
enemy laner has no sums and is pushed up with little to no mana and you have been pinging this for 2+ minutes. if the jungler hasnt come by then, hes a complete moron.
this meaning if hes been in the jungle.
if hes ganking other lanes then its fine.
scenario 2 : your tower has 2 waves on it and ur pinging your jungler back.
he runs in 1v1 and dies and gives doubles.
hes a moron.
scenario 3 : you have vision on the jungler trying to dive you. you ping it for 30 seconds with your jungle very close by. if the jungler is not completely oom and out of hp and doesnt come, hes a moron.
It pisses me off as a top laner when Im repeatedly getting ganked over and over and over again, not neceserally dieing to the ganks, but loosing hp/ minions/ exp from that, I press tab to see that my jungler is 0/0/0 10 minutes in, and is somehow also getting outfarmed by the other jungler, thats a tilter.
If the laner loses lane, it's the laner's fault.
But if anything goes wrong in the game, it's the jungler's fault.
So they are both to blame.
If you feed the enemy laner then it could be considered your fault. That's pretty much the only thing I can think of.
