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Is Kayle supposed to be able to outscale Jax and Neeko?

Jarring·3/11/2019, 6:02:35 PM·2 votes·1,976 views

Kayle's design is interesting... but can she really outshine champions like Jax Vayne and Neeko in the end?

For some reason, people seem to think that "hyper carries should have a shitty ass early game" as if that's the way it's supposed to be balanced.

what makes a hard scaling carry unique is having passives in place of abilities. For instance, Vayne's Silver Bolts. They sacrifice utility for on-hit passives that scale with items. That's all it is, and naturally, all the champions with the best on-hit passives in the game will be the most broken.

The fact that Jax's ultimate is a huge on-hit passive is what makes him one of the hardest scaling carries in the game.

Compared to Neeko's passive, Kayle's passive isn't even worth investing in Rageblade for. Maybe if it also worked with Aflame, but that would be way too much considering it turns into true damage at 16.

The way I see it, there are plenty of hard carries in the game with passives that are even better. And they don't need a 2nd and 3rd ultimate passive ability that comes on-line at levels 11 and 16.

I like the idea, and it's really cool, but I fail to see how Kayle can contest with any of the other on-hit passives that come online much more reliably and sooner into the game.

Like, she's really cool, I just wish she were streamlined and more fair to play. Like maybe her range could scale instead of just instantly becoming a 550 ranged hero at lvl 11. Shit, range could even scale based on AP/AD or something else more realistic like levels.

It really just bothers me that this rework went through. Templar Assassin's range increased with each point invested into E...and nobody was even paid for its development.

League of Legends is like...an old hoopty with a new paintjob. You see that new paintjob, and it gets you in the car, but when you start to drive it, you realize it's still just an old hoopty.

15 Comments

3TWarrior3/11/2019, 6:28:36 PM3 votes

hyper carries are supposed to have a terrible early game because if they did not, they would snowball out of control too easily(why would you want the most powerful carry in the game to have an easy time getting that power? )

the reason hyper carries are called hyper carries is because they have some means of defense and if protected properly by their team, they can 1 v 5 the opposing team

pub-stompers are also often hyper-carries but are more effective in lower divisions because people do not focus them, and thus, they stomp the general public

although it's not really optimal, it's possible to make kayle have maximum attack speed and deal over 200 extra true damage per auto attack, which is in excess of what vayne can do against a standard tank unless they run gargoyle stoneplate

hyper carries are not defined by passives, they are defined by having defensive tools that let them run rampant or enough offense that they are too much of a threat if unchecked

Jax

Jax is a hard-scaling duelist, but it is not his passive that allows this, it's his defensive tools. Jax has an ability to negate auto attacks and reduce AOE damage by 25%; his ultimate also increases his defensive stats by a large amount. While it would basically kill the champ to remove his ultimate's passive damage, Jax can build around other things and easily become a scaling threat because of his defensive traits

Master yi lives by the code "the best defense is a good offense" and he has two abilities that can be used defensively and an ultimate that increases his movement speed by a ridiculous amount

katarina, her ultimate defines a lot of her power. if she isn't checked, she goes in, tosses an ultimate and does a major percentage of anyone's health that's left nearby

Swain fights by attempting to outlast his opponents, draining their health and adding it to his

#watch some of the higher level players play kayle and they make good suggestions for how to improve her without making her overbearing

Titanium703/11/2019, 6:53:56 PM1 votes

Dunno is the Champ that get 0-5ed easily by both of the champs you mentioned with half of their brain missing supoosed to outscale them at some point???

What do you think?

Oleandervine3/11/2019, 7:07:12 PM1 votes

Neeko isn't a hyper carry, she's an unintentional abomination like Tankko or Tankuo or Tankali. Neeko's current performance with ADC builds is an anomaly, and shouldn't be a baseline comparison for actual hypercarries or ADCs.