Feels like we're now back to the meta where bot difference determines games again

GiraffeFactory·3/3/2019, 5:03:48 AM·33 votes·12,462 views

Seriously feels like almost every single one of my games lately had been determined by which bot lane absolutely curb stomped the other. Of course I'm not blaming the losses entirely on bot lane. It's extremely clear to me that every game I lose I could have played much better. But man is it disheartening to be winning or going even up in top just to hit tab and see my bot lane is 1/8 combined at 10 minutes in. Legit had a fairly good top lane game (not the best but I was coming out ahead and so was my jungler), but then once the 18/1 enemy Vayne came into the picture I had no idea what we could have done to win since she just two shot all of us. I dunno, there needs to be a happy medium instead of adc being either complete shit tier or "enemy adc gets first blood and proceeds to feast on everyone else in the game."

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LTK KoRo3/3/2019, 7:29:08 AM22 votes

botlane is again the only role which matters and all the other roles exist only to support it. I hate that.

Baval3/3/2019, 6:47:08 AM14 votes

everyone complained that they were just as strong as everyone else and therefore "weak" so Riot put them back to being hypercarries.

anatasjhsh013/3/2019, 5:19:56 AM7 votes

If they are 1/8 that mean the enemy bot is fed and they have a chance to carry the game,same thing goes if the enemy midlane is 8/1 the game doesn't play around bot its as important as other roles, jg being the most of important because of early ganks and map pressure and riot failing to fix it and fucking up jg instead

Jerry SeinfeId3/3/2019, 3:57:55 PM6 votes

y'all feel like this anytime bot has any agency over the game.

"when the 18/1 vayne came into the picture" like are you fuckin with me now? if you said that in a thread complaining about ANY champ that's not an adc, you'd get ridiculed.

i checked and she wasn't 18/1 but 16/1 you were 8/5. idk why you should deserve to win vs someone who outperforms you in damage, objectives and cs while also having a thresh protect her. According to op.gg you were behind in gold on vayne, 2 minutes into the game. i find it hard to believe your jungler was really ahead by the end of laning. Lee had a comparable score but gave more to his team, had better dragon control and only fell behind in gold by 24 minutes.

Your passive botlane got shit on by a proactive botlane and you didn't get as fed as they did. Is vayne overtuned rn? yeah, numbers clearly show she's the best adc in the game. She's also known to be a lategame monster even when she's weak in the meta, so wtf did you expect from a full build vayne when she IS meta? either way, if vayne gets this ahead wether she's meta or not doesn't matter.

Glaricion3/3/2019, 7:56:38 AM4 votes

W/ Runes Reforged, damage creep, etc..., it is so hard to enjoy playing bot nowadays.

The first one or two fights are even, but w/ all the new sources of damage and ridic income it becomes so that a 3/1 bot can prevent their opponents from getting any farm.

Any attempts to gain farm just turns into an exercise in futility as you just explode, leaving the surviving lane partner (if there is one) zoned outside of XP range.

Damage on tribute was a mistake. Keystones need to be tuned down. Lower the incomes pl0x Mr. Rito.

BigFBear3/3/2019, 2:16:24 PM4 votes

Why "again"? It's been like this the whole time imho.

Even when junglers had more impact before the jungle nerf, in the end it was all about the ADC.

I Do Support Gud3/3/2019, 6:55:00 AM4 votes

well heres the thing:

tank supports are meta again so cc combined with adc will always be strong.

2: Solo lane tanks dealing as much damage as an adc is not something you want

Everyone forgot how to play against and with fed adcs when they were underpowered. I promise its a learning curve and they are easy to kill if they are solo.

Daddy Ants3/3/2019, 11:12:50 AM4 votes

Really?

Seems different to what I'm experiencing.

I'm still having severe cases of Top and Jungle difference

https://i.gyazo.com/bf793e3489e331bee6327a5e738d143c.png

Other roles can carry

https://i.gyazo.com/6666fadecb5c0fce248fa4c050ac9b93.png

Thefrostyviking3/3/2019, 4:19:52 PM2 votes

Like......any lane that curbstomps will naturally have a huge shot at winning if the enemy side cant match it.

Trying to ask for this to be nerfed is ,.....ridiculous really.

Then finally....18,1,Y Vayne? If she couldnt absolutely destroy you then she´d need buffs,-------which she absolutely does not.

BlueSmurf20183/3/2019, 11:52:38 PM2 votes

uuuh no, we arent. Unless we are talking about vayne vs jinx, that is not the case. Its whoever pops off is hard to deal with and can easily carry. 15/3 trist aint gonna wait. She gonna 3 shot you bc shes 15/3, not because "bot lane meta". Its literally an all lanes meta, any lane can carry right now. Just get good

floppy10003/4/2019, 3:13:55 AM2 votes

It's weird for me to say, but it's kind of how I think it should be:

Between dragon and rift herald, dragons tend to be more valuable as the game progresses since Rift Herald helps teams that are ahead, but not teams that are behind.
Bottom lane comprises of 40% of the teams.
ADCs bring the most consistent damage archetype in the game: ranged auto attacks that are typically not gated behind cooldowns or resources, nor are they avoidable for a majority of the cast. This typically makes them the most efficient wielders of gold.
Teleport is on such a long cooldown that the top laner can only influence dragon and bot lane once every 6 minutes where 80% of the team (bot mid jg) can easily access, which prevents strong top laners from affecting the state of the game, since conflicts occur where champions encounter each other.
Supports, by their very nature as kit-efficient champions that are powerful without levels or items, are most influential at the start of the lane phase, which makes a skilled support player the biggest catalyst for snowballing in the game.

Just from the way the map is set up, bottom lane is where the focus of the game is going to be. If they want to change this, both top lane towers need to be farther back so the lane is longer, which would let a strong top laner push the wave in and roam without worrying about losing his own tower. TP could also be on a shorter cooldown to allow strong top laners to influence bottom sides of the map. Rift Herald could be more useful for teams that are behind. So on and so forth.

Ephixus3/5/2019, 7:51:44 AM1 votes

Adc seem's to be fine for me. If bot lane goes 16-1 ofc they will carry like a mid laner or top laner.

Poop Jelly3/3/2019, 10:33:04 PM1 votes

Why is that bad? It's going to stay like this for a few patches and then it will change to jungler dominant, then top lanes matter, then mid mages get looked at, then maybe something else and back to bot lane again. I personally had to endure quite a few eras where tanks or bruisers reign but the beauty of this game is that it rotates metas.

The thigh guy3/4/2019, 7:30:05 AM1 votes

You know what would solve this problem?

Not forcing the jungler to be a lower level than the damn support at all points unless they spend the entire game farming.

HelsinkiJHINland3/4/2019, 6:09:43 PM1 votes

i still think jg diff mostly determines games. One jungler is wrecking havoc all over the map, ganking everywhere non stop and taking all the objectives. Other is afk'ing farming the whole game, feeding lanes, and only showing on map to steal laners farm. How the hell do I win when im getting relentlessly camped and my jungler does nothing at all the entire game? Even if i manage to never die its hard to get strong enough to hypercarry with all that enemy pressure everywhere

If its just bot feeding though I can still handle it usually. I main nasus and he does spike faster compared to adc's, so I can still deal with them. Fed vayne is more problematic though especially with good peel