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Playing leblanc feels clunky and actively punishes you for building CDR (solutions inside)

Dread Nacht·2/7/2018, 7:31:13 AM·3 votes·632 views

Leblanc is currently one of (if not) the worst assassin post rework (fizz is the other contender, but he has AoE burst/hard CC so he has teamfight potential Leblanc lacks). She has to wait 1.5 seconds for a significant portion of her damage to "proc" and the rest of her damage aside from her q and rq is lackluster at best. Also, once she procs her passive, she can't proc it again on the same target for 5 seconds. Both of these traits effectively make her the epitome of a "feast or famine" champ, because 1.5 seconds is enough time for the ADC to kill you before any of your damage goes off, and on the off chance you somehow survive, you can't do it again for another 5 seconds, or roughly the time it takes the adc to kill you 3 times. So you need to have a massive lead so you don't die to them and they get one-shot, both of which are incredibly unhealthy for the game.

Leblanc also likes to build Morrello & zhonyas for sustain and a chance at living through the adc's barrage between procs, but her passive (which is a significant portion of her damage) becomes extremely clunky due to her abilities essentially "outscaling" her passive, forcing you to wait for your passive to come up in order to do anything, which punishes you for having built CDR in the first place. There's a reason why the Koreans build Leblanc ADC, it's significantly less clunky and more rewarding to the player to use her kit to evade and reposition, while not being gimped by the passive. I can see four ways in which Riot can resolve this problem:

  1. Take damage from her passive and move it back to her W and E and make her have autonomy from her passive.

  2. Make her passive hit harder to further reward/incentivize her to build around it (so build less CDR in favor or ROA/Runic Echo/Liandries/etc.)

  3. Make both aspects of her passive scale with CDR, so that building CDR rewards you with smoother gameplay and more options when it comes to ability use.

  4. Make both aspects scale with level. Smoother gameplay similar to Option 3.

Analyzing the problems of each change may bring clarity and perhaps more insight on what Leblanc's identity/intended weaknesses are supposed to be:

  • Option 1 is akin to simply reverting her back, meaning that her W and E will be too effective and safe for poking and make her extremely unfun to play against and lack counterplay, so I don't recommend this option.

  • Option 2 would give her way too much early game damage and will inevitably cause her to snowball out of control with her new build will making an already difficult champion to pin down that much harder to kill with all the extra HP she will be building from ROA/Liandries/Rylais. This option is better than option 1 since her mid-late game issues remain the same unless massively fed. This is my third-preferred option.

  • Option 3 incentivizes Leblanc to build CDR/Squishy and leaves her early game the same, while making her a more effective assassin come mid and late game, while still keeping her intended weaknesses to CC and burst. Think Urgot before they stripped him of sterak's (both of which were on the same power level). Problems could arise as now her passive (without cosmic insight) has .9 sec for the person to react, which might be too short. An easy fix is to make the passive proc at 1.65 seconds baseline instead of 1.5 so that with 40% cdr the proc goes off in 1 second. This is my top-preferred option.

  • Option 4 is similar to 3, but slightly worse due to punishing her for the loss of lane exp when she's roaming for kills, which goes against the identity of an assassin, but would still be a tolerable change as opposed to what she has now. This is my second-most preferred option.

I know Leblanc was absolute cancer in her prime and people might still hold a grudge against her receiving any love from Riot, but I believe that her current state prevents her from fulfilling her identity as an assassin. What do you guys think of my solutions, do you have any other options that can be made to accommodate Leblanc? I look forward to reading the responses [leblanc-funny] .

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Poske2/7/2018, 8:29:55 AM3 votes

Or you can like learn how to play her XD. Yes I lolskilled you have no fking idea but thats ok LL explain some stuff

I do agree that after certain point she scales bad with cdr I think its around 24% Cdr

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Leblanc is currently one of (if not) the worst assassin post rework (fizz is the other contender, but he has AoE burst/hard CC so he has teamfight potential Leblanc lacks).

When Played to her maximun potentional Le blanc is the best assassin in game after katarina (Granted kata just got nerfed) Edit: Well midlane assassin that is. Kha is quite insane assassin in jng

She has to wait 1.5 seconds for a significant portion of her damage to "proc" and the rest of her damage aside from her q and rq is lackluster at best. Also, once she procs her passive, she can't proc it again on the same target for 5 seconds. Both of these traits effectively make her the epitome of a "feast or famine" champ, because 1.5 seconds is enough time for the ADC to kill you before any of your damage goes off, and on the off chance you somehow survive, you can't do it again for another 5 seconds, or roughly the time it takes the adc to kill you 3 times. So you need to have a massive lead so you don't die to them and they get one-shot, both of which are incredibly unhealthy for the game.

I consistently One shot People in less then 0.3 seconds with le blanc. But that is because I KNOW HOW TO. Whenever I see Le blanc player talking about the whole 1.5 seconds thats a red alert.

Le blanc has enough tools to be unfocusable during those 1.5 seconds reggardless. But hey this implies deep understanding of combos.. which you dont have

Leblanc also likes to build Morrello & zhonyas for sustain and a chance at living through the adc's barrage between procs, but her passive (which is a significant portion of her damage) becomes extremely clunky due to her abilities essentially "outscaling" her passive, forcing you to wait for your passive to come up in order to do anything, which punishes you for having built CDR in the first place. There's a reason why the Koreans build Leblanc ADC, it's significantly less clunky and more rewarding to the player to use her kit to evade and reposition, while not being gimped by the passive. I can see four ways in which Riot can resolve this problem:

No she doesnt. Both of this items are subpar on Le blanc. You might ask BUT WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THIS STUFF I am ex #1 LB WORLD. THE FIRST LE BLANC THE BEST LE BLANC THE ONLY GOOD LE BLANC.

Idk whats my LB rank atm but sooner or later ll get there again kinda switching to battlerite since league is hot garbage

  1. Take damage from her passive and move it back to her W and E and make her have autonomy from her passive.

That is a massive AOE buff aka you have no idea what you are suggesting

  1. Make her passive hit harder to further reward/incentivize her to build around it (so build less CDR in favor or ROA/Runic Echo/Liandries/etc.)

ROA on LB is some SIVHD trolling. there are no CHANGES to passive YOU CAN MAKE WHICH would make Le blanc players go away from the following items item 3145 item 3100

Hint clone can proc those items. So you end up procing each of them twice. This is why Le blanc is still bursty

  1. Make both aspects of her passive scale with CDR, so that building CDR rewards you with smoother gameplay and more options when it comes to ability use.

Not every champion needs to scale hard with CDR. Le blanc scales with AP on hit items the best. She is also probably the best ludens user in game granted ludens aint at its strongest

  1. Make both aspects scale with level. Smoother gameplay similar to Option 3.

I dont think unskilled le blanc should mention Le blanc smoothness ever

Analyzing the problems of each change may bring clarity and perhaps more insight on what Leblanc's identity/intended weaknesses are supposed to be:

  • Option 1 is akin to simply reverting her back, meaning that her W and E will be too effective and safe for poking and make her extremely unfun to play against and lack counterplay, so I don't recommend this option.

  • Option 2 would give her way too much early game damage and will inevitably cause her to snowball out of control with her new build will making an already difficult champion to pin down that much harder to kill with all the extra HP she will be building from ROA/Liandries/Rylais. This option is better than option 1 since her mid-late game issues remain the same unless massively fed. This is my third-preferred option.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Just straight up. None of your changes would lead to this. And this is also garbage idea and suggestion

  • Option 3 incentivizes Leblanc to build CDR/Squishy and leaves her early game the same, while making her a more effective assassin come mid and late game, while still keeping her intended weaknesses to CC and burst. Think Urgot before they stripped him of sterak's (both of which were on the same power level). Problems could arise as now her passive (without cosmic insight) has .9 sec for the person to react, which might be too short. An easy fix is to make the passive proc at 1.65 seconds baseline instead of 1.5 so that with 40% cdr the proc goes off in 1 second. This is my top-preferred option.

Speaking of smoothness rofl XDDDD plz stop suggesting anything Le blanc related. Also your incentive is extremly far from working LE BLANC build is hardcoded it wont change unless you change her ultimate clone. Also changing any AP champion in regards to current garbage AP itemization which needs rework is bad

  • Option 4 is similar to 3, but slightly worse due to punishing her for the loss of lane exp when she's roaming for kills, which goes against the identity of an assassin, but would still be a tolerable change as opposed to what she has now. This is my second-most preferred option.

I know Leblanc was absolute cancer in her prime and people might still hold a grudge against her receiving any love from Riot, but I believe that her current state prevents her from fulfilling her identity as an assassin. What do you guys think of my solutions, do you have any other options that can be made to accommodate Leblanc? I look forward to reading the responses [leblanc-funny] .

Yes never post anything Le blanc related thx

Atleast you didnt fail for the whole WE identify Le blanc as burst mage

Quepha2/7/2018, 10:41:45 PM1 votes

you don't understand what "actively punishes" means.