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Caitlyn

French Courtesan·10/11/2018, 7:50:52 AM·12 votes·7,266 views

is in near unplayable state since last time she got bent over and had her ass cheeks spread.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/caitlyn/euw/adc/diamond

I dont get why is she kept in this state, last time she dared to have average win rate and pick rate exceeding 10% she got nerfed to the ground, got knee caps shot, stabbed and left in sewer.

And yet this abomination

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/kaisa/euw/adc/diamond

that cant be itemized againist, has at least 3 different builds viable, stealth, execute, attack speed buff, sniping potential, mobility is loosing 1 damage on auto and 5 damage on passive detonation? If she got Caitlyn treatment her passive damage would be halved. No I am not kidding it would be fucking halved. When Caitlyn abused hurricane to get headshots faster, they fucking removed that interaction. When she built attack speed because her projectile speed was really good, they slowed her auto attack animation. When she cheesed traps under tower that is fucking obvious as hell they made her trap outline so visible you gotta be on spectrum to still walk in it.

On top of that Caitlyn never even got to such high pick rate. Highest I have ever seen was 36%. And that was during the times when Caitlyn and Vayne were only two ADCs because Vayne countered tanks and Caitlyn countered Vayne. 40% pick rate when there is literally double the amount of champions you can pick now. Oi balance team just nerf her passive. Aw sure thing mate by how much? 5. 5 what? 5%? no. FUCKING 5.

And I am not even going to talk about this one

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/lucian/euw/adc/diamond

This one is episode on itself. Especially when he had 51% win rate and they decided it was a prime fucking time to buff him. But what did the boards say? 20 Damage buff on his W? Thats fucking garbage, why cant Lucian ever get any significant buff. Because he doesnt need. Every fucking season Lucian jumps from mediocre to busted simply because meta shifts. But he is never garbage.

What also bugs me is this one

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/twitch/euw/adc/diamond

Got fucked over by crit changes, got instant compensation buffs, just like Caitlyn did, however he was left in busted state and she was left in garbage bin. And you can honestly tell me that "but dude Caitlyn is so annoying, but dude she has no counterplay in lane, but dude her traps" when you can literally go dorans shield, get hit once and heal back 75% of what she did to you. You can see her headshot counter and her particles.You can see what she is doing from mile away. She got a headshot? Stay away. Twitch disappeared? Guess Ill die.

The funniest part was when they decided to compensation buff her headshot damage scalling with crit chance. They increased the amount of %damage you get by 50% Boards went apeshit. 50% man thats so much, untill you realize it was increased from 200% to 250%. They decided to buff her most obvious and avoidable damaging ability. How much has her winrate improved? In gold+ from 44% to 46% Damn. In diamond+? 0% gain. Wanna know why? Because old Caitlyn built 100% crit chance with double shiv. This crippled Caitlyn builds 60% with storm razor. She gained nothing.

I am so mad about her state. I dont even want her to be buffed anymore because I know whats gona happen in 2 weeks. I just want proper rework for her or simply to nerf kaisa and lucian. Because they are in better shape than she was when she got gutted. And nothing is done to them.

60 Comments

five oh tree 10/11/2018, 9:12:57 AM6 votes

Going to be honest with you here friend, I would take 55% WR kai'sa over 50% WR Cait any day; Cait just feels so fucking miserable to play against. I'm not saying she deserves to be nerfed into oblivion, (No one deserves to rot next to kalista, not even cait is that bad) but she needs to be reworked before they pump power into that ancient kit.

BULLSEYE8910/11/2018, 12:33:27 PM4 votes

cait's core issue was that she was completely different form the rest of the ADC roster. and from a certain perspective, she basically had the strengths of both draven and tristana, without the weaknesses.

she starts of strong in the early game, falls off in the mid game, and ends up as a strong late game champion. no other champion in the **ENTIRE ** roster had that. that's why balancing her was so difficult. buff her, and she ended up neglecting the mid game. nerf her, and all stages of the game feel like mid game to her.

in my opinion ( as a lvl 5 caitlyn ) she should be reworked partially. her identity should be "THE SAFEST ADC" so increase her auto range to 700 revert the AA animation nerf and the ult just needs a major rework

AFilthyCaitMain10/11/2018, 8:48:35 AM4 votes

TBH Ive just stopped trying to play Caitlyn. Her only main strong point anymore is late game, but then why play cait if i can just play twitch and be more useful early via roams?

Rexxiee10/11/2018, 9:54:20 AM3 votes

Cait need buffs and lucian and kaisa really need nerfs.

Thefrostyviking10/11/2018, 1:39:21 PM3 votes

Issue with cait is that whenever she is any kind of decent she chokes the life out of botlane on her own, even if everything else is perfectly balanced or even good she forces a certain meta around herself.

To be honest i am uncertain she can be balanced at all, if she was to get even a few small buffs right now she´d easily boot both lucian and kai´sa out of botlane along with tristana probably without them even being nerfed.

Just because of her kit.......she just naturally beats most marksmen without them really being able to stop her.

I played her a bit not too long ago and she is still very much a absolute lanebully and a terror if ahead early that scalse hard...this is probably what makes it difficult to buff her.

But having written this.....i do think she should either get a rework or minor buffs, for various reasons.

saltran10/11/2018, 8:09:39 AM2 votes

She was kinda in a similar spot at the start of the season but I'm glad she wasn't buffed because with nerfs to the other top adcs she was good again and without being a pick that dominates everything because champs like Ezreal or the new Kai'Sa with the buffs were one tier above her.

That was for me the moment when she was the most balanced that she has been in years.

And they messed all the Caitlyn balance on 8.11, she was borderline trolling for some patchs until they fixed her passive for the new IE but she's still kinda weak on soloQ and also being played marginal on pro play.

I do think that the Lucian and Kai'Sa nerfs are needed for the soloQ adcs balance, and if she's still weak she could take some slight buffs but only after those two are nerfed.

If you are wondering, I'm a fellow Caitlyn player that wants to have her balanced and not overbuffed.

DuskDaUmbreon10/11/2018, 2:28:36 PM2 votes

Imo, one of the best buffs for her would be either adding execute scaling on her R (along the lines of Veigar's R, so that it does more damage the lower health the enemy is) or her Q cast time reducing with attack speed.

Since she's statistically weak right now it's a fine time to add a bit to her kit that Riot couldn't before. Her R having execute scaling makes perfect sense on that kind of ability, and her Q taking less time to cast at higher attack speeds means you don't lose DPS in late-game by pressing Q.

However, I am a bit curious as to how she would be weak right now. Stormrazor provides a perfect powerspike for her, because you get it and you get an automatic crit with your passive. Stormrazor is absolutely ideal for her, so its addition should have helped her more than it should have for most of the roster...

ZackTheWaffleMan10/11/2018, 4:32:41 PM2 votes

#STOP ASKING FOR BUFFS

Kanan Matsuura10/11/2018, 4:33:48 PM2 votes

{quoted} Got fucked over by crit changes, got instant compensation buffs, just like Caitlyn did, however he was left in busted state and she was left in garbage bin. And you can honestly tell me that "but dude Caitlyn is so annoying, but dude she has no counterplay in lane, but dude her traps" when you can literally go dorans shield, get hit once and heal back 75% of what she did to you. You can see her headshot counter and her particles.You can see what she is doing from mile away. She got a headshot? Stay away. Twitch disappeared? Guess Ill die.

Not trying to defend or argue for or against Caitlyn, but um.. Stormrazor is pretty toxic as an item(especially in combination with Duskblade. Yes I know not many champions let alone players will build them together, but when they are built together it's straight stupidMonkeyKing ).

Also, about the particles, this is a really funny argument because Vladimir has a literal giant red bar under his HP and has to charge up his E, and then summoner 4 onto you to really do anything. No one paid attention to the fact that he doesn't do shit otherwise, they ignore that his Q did too much damage, and they disregard the fact that his empowered Q and E are both super telegraphed. With electrocute getting nerfed the same patch as Vlad getting nerfed, I don't think Riot let alone the playerbase gives a shit about particles or visual cues, they just don't wanna get one shot by cheese strategies or bullied/zoned by headshots. Good luck getting everyone on board with that argument.

Lesbian 4 Vayne10/11/2018, 3:19:54 PM1 votes

here's my problem with Caitlyn currently (cait/jinx have been my secondary go to ADC's when vayne is banned or I need more pressure early.) I've played cait for a few seasons now. and I think the problem is that she is needs either a.) more power ONLY IN THE EARLY GAME or b.) leaving early game as it is and giving her some late gamer power. she use to be known as only an early game ADC and you only picked her to get ahead early and pressure early. I totally agree that she is unplayable. I mean I love her kit because if you use it correctly it gives you a lot of utility and control, but I feel that she falls off so hard in comparison to other ADC's to the point where it isn't worth picking her early game. I think there needs to be more of a distinction between early game ADC's/and late game ADC's.

Daddy Ants10/11/2018, 3:23:58 PM1 votes

Cait either needs to be strong early to mid and fall of late or weak early and strong mid-late

BLIGHTBRINGER10/11/2018, 4:02:28 PM1 votes

What makes me really annoyed and depressed at the same time is that from now on this is how people will look at all hybrid marksman... She's strong (Kai'Sa) and because she is everyone is going to assume that others like her (Varus, Kog'Maw, etc) will need nerfs as well.

She's a terrible example of what a Hybrid Marksman is suppose to be, while she has the main features (Mixed Damage, Mixed Scalling) she has too much of other things in her kit, as the op listed already (Stealth, Poke, 5 Stack % Missing Health Execute, Consistent reliable damage, Self-Beneficial Shield, Dash, Bonus Movement Speed + Attack Speed).

ØrnnToGetTrolleÐ10/11/2018, 1:05:08 PM1 votes

I have an idea! Let's make her a jungler like Graves

https://shareville-media.s3.amazonaws.com/cache/41/2c/412cb688e429f372335f7527695b29b8.jpg

Hollowchazz10/11/2018, 12:00:37 PM1 votes

i agree Caitlyn isn't doing too well.

The change to IE was really stupid, it was much better before the change where it made crits 50% stronger and you gained a flat crit chance straight away. I don't even play adc but i can tell that the IE change was a pretty big hit for adcs.

Pika Fox10/11/2018, 4:42:27 PM1 votes

Cait is fine. Crit item changes fucked her hard, so either players still need to adapt a new build, or riot needs to do more preseason ADC item work. I dont think cait herself needs anything.