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Why do people not surrender when it's clearly logical to surrender?

Lionl·12/11/2016, 1:22:21 AM·5 votes·2,392 views

It irritates me on how people can not seem to grasp the fact of logic. people do not seem to want to lose because there's a possibility of comeback to which I argue, "no there is none if you try you'll just be killed again." Please note that i'm not talking about games where you have towers (both killed and up equally) and have like maybe a 23-25 score or something like that, those are not worth surrendering to. I'm talking about complete and utter failure of people not communicating, warding ect, and go 1-20 with all three inhibs down and the enemy has barron. I'll be going over some reasons why people don't seem to want to surrender even though that's an illogical option.

Because it effects my LP Not from my viewpoint nor any others, i've lost the same amount of LP from games that i do surrender in from games I don't. If i'm wrong please send me a link to an article talking about this. I might understand then.

Because we can come back For a game that maybe 18-25 and they have maybe 2-3 of our towers killed, maybe, but for something like 8-30 kills with all 6 frontal towers and 2 inhib towers with 2 inhibs down, i don't think so. In order to snowball on any champ you need gold and the two greatest ways of doing it is to gain kills and kill towers (minus last hitting of course). If you're thinking your champ is going to snowball, don't you need to rack up some kills. That and they have way more kills than we do, i don't think we're coming back anytime soon. If you think you're going to rack up CS, don't the enemy will intercept and you have other players and lanes to worry about, people will think that you're not cooperating with the team anyway.

We got late game Once again for 18-25 games like that, maybe, but not for 8-30 games. It doesn't matter if we're late game spurrier, we are way too far behind to be in that state.

Because I can carry no problem No you can't, if you can, you better have a strong back. Even if you were to focus the right targets, the other players would still be in a bit a pickle with the enemy players. That and we're way too behind for you to carry at all.

Because that's toxic Then why is the button there in the first place? You don't wanna prove you're toxic? then don't say toxic things, that doesn't mean the surrender button means you're toxic.

Because i'm in my promos I don't care for your promos, nor do any other people in the team, we care about getting into the next match, you've lost anyway, why do you deny that you're going to get a lost for your promos? Refer to the come back section if that is your answer

Well we can just practice with this thing or that You're either practicing your very good feeding of the enemy team, or you're practicing absolutely nothing. I'm most certainly not practicing with my champion if i'm dying over and over again. I'm not last hitting nor am I even in lane. what is there to practice, seeing how many times i can die in one go?

If you're not going to play then just afk First of all, I do want to play, but we're in a situation where people are just feeding, unintentionally, left and right and maybe someone is stressed out and needs a break. Second, what do I gain from AFKing? 5 penalties of 20 minutes each. This argument is a way where people are bullied into submission to where I say if you need to afk for any reason then do it, you might get the penalty but it's not worth giving you some stress.

Because the game would've ended to early Refering to my 8-30 game, I don't think anybody cares if it ended too early. I understand about this argument but refer to the comeback section because that's basically what their next argument is going to be after this one.

Because this is ranked, NEVER SURRENDER! so?

I hope people can understand why people want to surrender in the first place. these are just a few reasons why they don't.

24 Comments

Mysticman8912/11/2016, 1:42:24 AM5 votes

If low elo: People are really bad at ending games and really good at throwing, and getting to full build even in otherwise stompy games is all too common, as the enmy team doesn't end and instead farms kills for 20 minutes.

If high elo: If you're in the situation where surrender is the appropriate option, it'll be less than 3 minutes until they end properly anyway. If they do, whatever, it's just a couple minutes of extra 'wasted' time compared to surrendering. If they don't, there's plenty of hope for the game yet and the initial surrender vote was premature.

In either case: Practice playing from behind is very useful. Many people are absolutely atrocious at it, and when behind they just constantly die. This does not need to be the case, and if that your experience with playing behind, then it's a sign you need to practice more at it. Picking up the relatively few cs scraps you can safely get, potentially picking up zzrots, etc. are all things that can stall out games long enough to nullify any leads.

Now sure, most people don't actually care if they're bad at playing from behind, since they'll never be in pro play where they'll inevitably have to and it's actually important for the sake of their job, or even at high elo where things are competitive and that LP for the match matters, but having a big void in your skill set should feel bad as a matter of personal pride.

IziMytTJd712/11/2016, 4:05:13 AM4 votes

"We got late game"

-The 0-8 Nasus

Tsugaga12/11/2016, 1:36:14 AM3 votes

JarvanIV ??? Pantheon ???

Being able to win when behind is a very overlooked skill by many players. Many players want to surrender when they get slightly behind, and always do because they never learn to play in tough situations.

Need Gold 4 Tent12/11/2016, 10:43:33 AM2 votes

Lategame teamfights are extremely volatile. for one, a 3/10/0 Dravenitem 3006 item 3031 item 3072 item 3046 item 3036 item 3508 item 3142 can still do the damage of a 10/0/0 Vayne item 3006 item 3031 item 3072 item 3046 item 3036 item 3087item 3078. And both of them will die if they catch a CC. One slip up, or cocky misplay, and the Vayne will die just as easily as the Draven had been all game. OInce enough time has passed and enough cs has been taken, scores no longer matter and the feeding guy is as much of a threat as the fed one.

While score wise, 10/1 does not seem much on paper, the 55s that she is out of commission is more than enough time for a push to the nexus, even all the way from the outer turrets. Even if you don't win yet, you will do big damage to their base, and you can now call the game even.

Worse is an AoE comp, you might think they're behind or outnumbered, then your 5 man team get caught by Amumu Fiddlesticks MissFortune, and suddenly your entire team disappears. This is how I've lost/won 4v5 games before (yes, games with an afk).

Communist Toast12/11/2016, 1:30:34 AM2 votes

it depends alot on elo I am sure, but if you are high elo and super far behind then sure surrender. but in low/mid elo, even if you are behind and it's only logical that you would lose if the enemy team does what they need to, they could always fail at a moment and you could win. they aren't that great of players in the low/mid elo.

many games I have fought we either won at the last second, or even threw a winning game.

Mostro Gallo12/11/2016, 10:30:50 AM1 votes

Stay the hell out of ranked with that mindset. ANYTHING can happen at any given moment. Surrender should not even be an option in ranked. Grow a pair and play until the end.

Lol, people like you are one of the many reasons video games will never be considered a sport.

bad arcade kitty12/11/2016, 10:37:35 AM1 votes

my last loss i was so mad i reported all my team because they surrendered at 20 a game where enemy had 0/5/0 jungle akali and mid lee sin about to become useless, just because enemy had a fed... cait, their only threat was a semi fed ecco, while we had twitch, it was completely winnable and they still voted ff

Wolftastic3312/11/2016, 10:52:53 AM1 votes

Because they come here to play a video game, not to just give up.

God Raijin12/11/2016, 3:52:22 PM1 votes

To be fair, In a ranked game, even if it is only like a 1% chance. Someone on the other team could DC, even if you are incredibly behind, you can outright win just because someone is having internet problems, or because their cat is on fire.

Oglaf12/11/2016, 8:23:45 PM1 votes

Because they've watched pros turn such a situation around and win a seemingly lost game, despite the fact that they clearly lack the skill to do so.

ScissorsNstuff12/11/2016, 1:25:05 AM1 votes

because the man-children of today base their pride in how they manage their epeen even if its at your expense.

Pootis Pig11/14/2017, 4:05:30 AM1 votes

Half of you bricks havent read this post. He lists all the different situations and I see 40 retards saying things that he gave a clear counter argument too.

Shadowfang TC 12/11/2016, 1:31:52 AM1 votes

Odd... I tend to have exact opposite situations. People surrender because we lose a tower or two even though we are up 14 kills, 2 towers, and 3 dragons. I wish I had stubborn teams lol. But I get matched with the whiny quitters EVERY GAME.

NoPaxt12/11/2016, 2:53:47 AM1 votes

The question should be "why do people surrender?"

Genocide Victim12/11/2016, 4:08:11 AM1 votes

Because people are shit. They rather report someone for afk, than gracefully lose the game.

ApexInTheCircle12/11/2016, 4:36:24 AM1 votes

Because I've seen games where the losing team was on the brink of defeat and their nexus under siege, somehow get off a good team fight kill the winning team then push down their mid lane and take game.

This doesn't happen often but it happens enough to warrant not surrendering and just playing the game until it's over. Trust me, your time isn't any less or more precious than anyone else on your team.

*Edit - I also would like to say something to people that initiate surrender vote when they get caught out and die. Suck it the fuck up please you're not the entire team and you'll be back up in 30 seconds so chill your tits please.