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Jungle Difference feels insurmountable in low elo.

Wolfalisk318·5/17/2019, 8:01:47 PM·7 votes·7,546 views

Many games it just feels like there is nothing you can do if your Jungler is behind the other one. I know there are plenty of ways to theoretically deal with it, but this stuff often requires you to be very good or at least pretty good at the game. I do not feel like a Silver Jungler should just be able to look up the FOTM Jungler and build path and then just completely run away with the entire game with no recourse because said Champion has high kill threat. While at the same time, requiring me to have mechanics well beyond my division to even start to play against it. If the enemy Jungler gets ahead you can't even play the game.

I'm sure it's a low elo problem but if low elo Junglers are just waltzing around collecting free wins off of the rest of their peers, those of you who are higher are eventually going to be playing with Junglers that are basically boosted. So if you're sitting there reading and saying to me, "LUL get gud Silver trash", I agree with you, but if this is widespread, the implications of it are eventually going to seep into your games.

Seriously the games just feel like 1v1s. The lanes don't matter. And I don't say this from a position of salt. I've been on both sides of it. ADC and I are often inting our brains out. Doesn't matter; we still win - Jungle Difference.

11 Comments

AetherArising5/18/2019, 12:16:30 AM6 votes

The problem lies in the fact that jungle has been shoehorned into a “lose harder/win harder” role and not an independent lane. If your team sucks, you CANNOT carry like with a botlane/midlane:fighter-top (like riven), but if you get a small lead it can spiral into an unstoppable stomp.

How to fix this? Maybe they could start by not making it mandatory to be so damn team reliant and gank heavy that you dont even jungle clear and still win. If they buffed camps/camp respawn timer and made ganking champs less powerful, allowing for passive comebacks and skilled players to carry back to neutral/victory even if every teammate is currently behind as all shit (unless the enemy puts the resources into stopping you like they would with other lanes)

Then, they can tune the champ powers accordingly when games actually have a consistent baseline and not a “well i can gank every lane every 30 seconds” or “i cant even farm anymore because the enemy gets to permagank thus he’s so ahead from gank only he can invade me reprocussion free”

Ganks should be rewarded Perfect farming and timer tracking should also be rewarded. Then, equalize the power until jungle behaves like a normal role and not a fucking wild card “win harder/lose harder” role

KirbyCake5/17/2019, 8:27:37 PM5 votes

jungle difference is insurmountable in every elo.

just look at pro games

Butterwood5/17/2019, 8:05:09 PM4 votes

I feel like I've heard every single lane in low ELO is "the difference". I've seen top, mid, and bot all carry just as much as a jungler does. I actually think feeding a roaming midlaner (Fizz, Talon, etc.) is more dangerous than any jungler difference.

HommeGoujon5/17/2019, 8:58:56 PM3 votes

Pessimism and defeatism will not make you climb any faster. YOU can do better, and YOU can carry. YOU just need to focus on YOU.

Handy Sandy 5/17/2019, 9:56:27 PM2 votes

Jungle Difference feels insurmountable in low elo.

so is top, mid, adc, and sup difference. if 1/5 if your team is behind then it impacts you.

Harden Stepback5/18/2019, 2:19:13 AM2 votes

no such thing as jungle difference in low elo

Daddy Ants5/18/2019, 12:13:59 PM1 votes

I've been suffering with solo lane difference more than Jungle difference.

https://i.gyazo.com/878616adda1d406b2f0f119050cdbf32.png

Here's a sneak peek of some of the recent solo laners I've had the pleasure of being put with (:

Lately it feels like Solo laners don't grasp the concept of Playing Safe.

"I'm a scaling ADC, Mid and top please play safe"

Me at 15 mins: Yikes let's go next.

 

People claim that "Bot lane decides games."

I completely disagree.

Bot Lane's impact on the game is extremely dependent on the Solo Lanes and Jungler not feeding their asses off.

 

If anything at least in Low ELO I'd say Mid Lane and Jungle are the roles that decide a game.

In High Elo I'd presume teams know how to play around their bot lane and bot lane's impact gets better the higher you are.

 

Nothing feels worse than being 3/0 in lane as Vayne Twitch then you look at the scoreboard and see a 1/6 mid laner or 1/5 top laner.

IP Masquerena5/18/2019, 12:45:14 PM1 votes

That depends on why said player is doing bad tho. Yes, it may be that the enemy jungler impacted the game more than your own, but why did that happen?

Take for example my last Kha'Zix game. I couldn't do jack because the enemy Katarina constantly roamed with Amumu, even invading me in the jungle to make sure I'm down. Our Malzahar kept crying about me, how I'm bad and how I lose the game, but what about him? He did ping, sure, but he never left his lane, when the enemy Kat was mostly away from lane. What do you in that case? Take tower plates, get more farm than her. But him? He didn't took 1 tower plate, Kat's tower had almost full HP when the plates expired, and when it came to farm, he had less than 10 cs more than her. Also he had some weird sexual fantesy with Amumu, as except the one time he ulted Kat in lane to get a kill when she dove him, he never used his ult on anyone else other than Amumu.

Another example would be when you as a jungler get invaded repeatedly and the team refuses to help. Yes, you're behind, you can't do anything, but all that could've been avoided if your team helped.

There are many reasons for why a player is doing bad in the jungle, and not all are "because he's trash" or "because the enemy jungler is OP". Just having a strong champ doesn't mean much unless the enemy players are worse than you. Trust me, I learned that the hard way.

And yes, I don't want to shift the blame to the team, I know there's lots of players who would love to troll you. I had an Amumu myself refusing to gank anyone but for Ezreal because Ez asked me if I let him mid and I said no, or a Rammus who at almost 15 mins was 0-2-0 refusing to gank because "it's just a normal, who cares if we win or lose". Yes, players like that exist and you can blame them, but don't blame every jungler who's doing bad, because YOU might be the reason why he's doing bad.