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"Having high elo players make all the balance decisions is a bad idea..."

Endogenic·4/21/2015, 12:53:45 AM·24 votes·2,294 views

"...because then it leaves out the ideas of the low elo players"

No it does not, and I have no idea how you low elo players of Gameplay & Balance don't see why.

Low elo players should not be able to make game balance decisions because they are less skilled and know less about the game. I see a lot of people claim that high elos shouldn't be the only people to make decisions because then it leaves the low elos unbalanced.

This is a hundred percent false. What makes you think that high elo players can't also make decisions for low elos as well?

Anything a high elo can do, a low elo can do better. This may sound harsh/mean, but it's the simple truth. I'm terrible at League of Legends, and I'm aware that there are plenty of people much more capable than I am at making decisions.

Also, I'm unranked so don't even bother accusing me of waving my "e-peen" around because I simply don't care about unranked. It's just silly seeing how low elos think their balance suggestions are good.

44 Comments

Crett4/21/2015, 1:00:41 AM10 votes

"NASUS NEEDS TO GET HALF THE STACKS, BUT BUFF HIS E A LITTLE BIT AND HE'LL BE FINE" no. no he won't. LOL

Zair Umbras4/21/2015, 2:12:13 AM8 votes

With your logic, your idea is thus ignored because your own logic tells us to ignore everything you say.

You also contradict yourself incredibly. "What makes you think that high elo players can't also make decisions for low elos as well?" followed by "Anything a high elo can do, a low elo can do better."

Pretty much saying Low ELO's suck and High ELO's are better, then contradicting yourself by saying Low ELO players can do what High ELO players can do, except better... which makes no sense unless you consider Gold to be High ELO, which then I'd agree. I met a lot better players in Silver than in Plat or Gold, but that's a different story. A Bronze player can't do better than a Challenger/Master Tier unless that Bronzy is one of the douche bags that have a high Diamond main account and purposely troll in games on their alt account.

Mecha MaIphite4/21/2015, 1:20:24 AM7 votes

I'm in low elo.

if the people I play with got to make balance decisions then I'm going back to Runescape.

ZephyrDrake4/21/2015, 12:58:43 AM5 votes

how cute mr elitist is sad his elitist thread got downvoted to hell so he came back to try again

PubgamerAU4/21/2015, 1:31:25 AM5 votes

The problem is, high elo players balance champions around what high elo players are capable of doing, instead of what the majority of the playerbase is capable of doing.

LegendaryLemur4/21/2015, 1:23:25 AM4 votes

High elo != Good understanding of the game. Sure high elo players, on average, have a better understanding of the game than low elo players, but the two groups 'those with good understanding' and 'high elo' are not the same. Tunneling on numbers and rankings clouds any vision of the truth.

Hrud4/21/2015, 1:21:04 AM4 votes

''Anything a high elo can do, a low elo can do better.''

You, uh, you might want to edit the OP to fix that.

Abyssphere4/21/2015, 1:27:02 AM4 votes

I think high elo players should take priority but low elo players shouldn't be ignored just because they're low elo. I do agree that high elo players are more than capable of balancing for players of a lower skill level (pretty sure everyone on the Riot balance team will be highly ranked) and I would never put a balance team made up of Bronze players in charge, but at the same time I think low elo people should have their opinions heard. You CAN have a good idea once in a while even if you're not as skilled as others.

Basically don't let low elo players make decisions but let them give their suggestions.

Mylon Requiem4/21/2015, 1:16:01 AM3 votes

This is common sense under any sense of logic, and as you said: low elo players don't know what the fuck they're doing, there's no way their "advice" or desired changes are going to balance the game better. I do think Riot makes missteps when handling champions' hotfixes as it pertains to competitive play and why exactly they are nerfed or buffed, but that's to be expected.

But you missed one important thing: define "high elo player". My idea of "high elo" might be different than someone else's idea.

Ryuku Cruxis4/21/2015, 1:57:47 AM2 votes

Very much agree, I find it funny how people say certain things are OP/Broken in low elo.

There is no difference between balancing for high and low elo.

Even if the game was perfectly balanced for high elo, low elo would still be chaotic. It doesn't come from the game being unbalanced, it just comes from such huge skill gaps. Smurfing/boosting going on doesn't help either.

The only way to balance for low elo would to just take out anything that takes a certain amount of mechanical skill or knowledge to counter, and there's really no line to draw anywhere to do that. We'd have to take out like all the hooks, alot of the fast moving skill shots, ect. There's just no way to cater to the mechanical skill of low elo without a VERY dull game.

Saying low elo players needs to have more considered balancing opinions is basically saying people who don't have adept knowledge or mechanical skill at the game should have them. Certain abilities would be nuts if their missile speed was doubled or tripled, but players who don't even have the mechanical skill to dodge them at their current speed might still spout "broken needs change", when they don't have the skill to know what would really be broken.

I am Bronze :|

warpenguin5554/21/2015, 1:56:01 AM2 votes

low elo should have a minor say, high elo and riot should have the final say

DrCyanide4/21/2015, 2:52:45 AM2 votes

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Low elo players should not be able to make game balance decisions because they are less skilled and know less about the game.

Correlation and causation.

Yes, there may be a large number of the low elo players with a lack luster understanding of the game, but that doesn't mean that every low elo player has a lack luster understanding of the game. The reverse could be said about high elo players.

That is why Gameplay and Balance isn't locked down to those players above a certain rank. Anyone who fails to see the difference between correlation and causation, and insists that Balance discussions be only between high elo players, is unfit to discuss balance themselves.

Kal Vas Flam4/21/2015, 2:21:53 AM1 votes

The problem with your logic is that it assumes a gold player is better than a silver player or a diamond is better than plat, it then equates better with more knowledgable. This is not how comparative analysis works. Without spelling it out too much cause I'm typing this on an iPhone - high elo players are more consistent in their play, utilize more efficient strategies, and have better timing due to typically having many more games logged. This does make them better players, but not smarter or more knowledgable players.

Of course you then have bronze and those guys are a little dense sometimes.

Spacesuit Spiff4/21/2015, 2:36:26 AM1 votes

Here's the thing: lots of champs are just broken beyond belief in low elo for various reasons Amumu Katarina Blitzcrank Annie . That is a genuine issue because the game should be balanced at all levels of play.

That doesn't mean low elo players know how things should be balanced. You need to know the game extremely well to balance. Remember that Rioter explaining why they didn't change the Aegis build path this season? Yeah. Most diamond players couldn't have come up with an analysis like that. That's the people who balance the game, because that's what they do as a career.

And they're going to design the game around how it should be played. That doesn't mean ignore the lower levels of play, but bronze carry champs get dealt with based on winrate, and most players could tell you how well something would do in bronze.

SexyTaylorSwift4/21/2015, 2:40:16 AM1 votes

LOL

Anything a high elo can do, a low elo can do better

You a silly willy.

N30NP4NDA4/21/2015, 6:41:25 AM1 votes

"Anything a high elo can do, a low elo can do better."

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SevenStrokeRoll4/21/2015, 2:55:56 AM1 votes

I'm indifferent here. I understand that a LOT of crap comes from lower elo players, but some of us do have viable ideas, sparse as it may be. Not saying they'll come from me because I think everything's fine as is.

iamthegoatofwar4/21/2015, 2:58:11 AM1 votes

yes and no. I think if they can honestly back up their claims and what not it's ok. Like I still am of the opinion something needs to be done about nidalee...jungle nidalee to be exact.

AMYS GRAVE4/21/2015, 3:33:20 AM1 votes

Anything a high elo can do, a low elo can do better.

haha, maybe you should proofread your posts.

But seriously game knowledge does not equal high elo, there are plenty of knowledgeable low elo people whose opinions and analysis should be considered.

A strong majority of riots employees are low elo and they are the ones making balance decisions.

There are plenty of champions who are too weak for competitive play, but roflstomp low elos. Balancing around high elo would only accentuate that problem.

Rysophage4/21/2015, 5:07:03 AM1 votes

Don't listen to the people who ban katarina every game and think janna is a bad champion. don't let these people decide anything.

Zavira4/21/2015, 1:33:16 AM1 votes

Lolscrub, im silver 4, im not bad like these bronzers man;/