It's annoying when I use W on an incoming minion wave but it bounces only first 4 minions because I don't see the 5th one yet. It makes no sense. It's not like she's controlling her boomerang after she threw it.
A similar example would be 
E. It still bounces when he doesn't have vision of a target.
no to toxic9 votesI agree Riot needs to increase the ad ratios of Sivirs W
Zane Zephyr1 votesThey nerfed it because she became basically a waveclear bot with little AD
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They nerfed it because she became basically a waveclear bot with little AD
Funny because she IS a waveclear bot.
It's literally her gimmick, on top of being fairly safe with her E and R.
PS: No her R is terrible for initiation.
DeathBot66654 votesShould someone tell him this post had noting to do with Sivir's AD ratio's?
Ariel the Cruel40 votesNah, the crazy ones are the most entertaining.
khorney1 votesthat would make my on hit build do more damaeg so im for this . runaans rage blade and nashors makes her w rape teams due to the fact that runaans and rage blade make w bounce for liek 10 times a cast its bs. sure singly its not that strong but team fightiung and wave clearing prepare to get smashed
GhaelWinds3 votesIt bounces as long as their is something to bounce to regardless of on hit build, also runaans doesn't shoot out 3 boomerangs.
khorney1 votesIt actually does since her is a aa. But if there is nothing to bounce itwont since runaans only works if
Sire Hippington4 votesBecause unlike other bounce skills, it has infinit bounces, so her harras and zoneing potential would be absurd if the bounces weren't limited by vision. Just walk up to an incomeing minion wave and hit the first, and any opponent in ~400range of any minion would eat damage without even seeing sivir, so with little warning. An come to lategame, a single bounce already hurts alot.
Again, it's mostly the infinit bounces part. If you throw fiddles E on a minion wave, you might get 1 hit on a champ in the dark, but most of the Es damage will hit minions, so throwing it into the minions means you use alot mana and put one of your main damage sources on decent CD to eventuall hit someone with 1/6 of his spell. Sivir would just W with little manacost or cd into the minionwave and gain full effect of her bounces on the minions and anyone near them.
LordSirChipmunk3 votesUm... I guess it's because crows have eyes and crazy cross-boomerang things don't? I have no idea.
Sraeg201312 votesWell, an inanimate object with no eyes shouldn't care less about the line of sight.
Or rather, that's what logic implies.
Chembaron Yamada8 votesLogical explanation: Sivir is able to calculate bounces extremely quick and is throwing the blade exactly that way that it bounces between the targets. She can't calculate the angle she has to throw the blade for targets she doesn't see.
Meanwhile Fiddlesticks uses a crow, a creature with own eyes and mind. Which means that the crow is able to adjust it's flight if there are new targets incoming.
Sraeg20131 votesSivir was designed around having a magical weapon-like key artifact.
Not sure how it works like now, but then, I have no fucking clue how anything in the lore "works" after the retcon.
Or perhaps she is an illegitimate great-great-great-great-great-grand daughter of Hayden Tenno and LoL is actually set thousands of years in the past? Hm. That sounds just like Utawarerumono.
Mr Noggenfogger3 votesI feel like you could easily argue that she's throwing the boomerang so that it specifically bounces off those targets, as opposed to the fiddles crow which just attacks what it sees
DarkRitual2 votesProbably to keep it from bouncing to enemies hiding in bushes.
Obsidiot1 votesOn the other hand, they will know that the bush is warded if it bounce to them.
DarkRitual1 votesIf it can bounce to unseen targets, then it actually gives you false info to think it's warded. As it currently is coded, you are correct though.
underscores2222 votesThere are some differences between them
Siv's ability is -an auto modifier -affects three autos -allows infinite bounces, but can't bounce to the same target multiple times
Fiddle's ability is -an actual spell with cast time, etc. -has limited bounces but can bounce to the same target multiple times
My thoughts are that Fiddle's crow is limited, and rather than allowing it to fizzle and cut off his damage output, it is allowed to continue to seek targets that are not visible to Fiddle. This means in the fog of war and in the bush (but I'm pretty sure they removed it bouncing to invisible units - might be wrong).
Siv, on the other hand, can get her rangs to bounce from bot to top lane given the right vision and target lineups (yes, that is a neigh-impossible situation, but roll with it). Because it has no limitation on number of bounces, to prevent it from going crazy they made it only bounce to things that are visible.
So yea, they seem very similar on the surface, but I think they are significantly different in purpose, especially when viewed through the lens of what the characters are trying to do in the game, as they play very differently.
Personal opinion - Fiddles crow is complete bull and shouldn't find you in bushes
DepressedAhri1 votesFiddle crow bounces are also lower range than Sivir boomerang bounces. Another tradeoff. Or I'm just unlucky with every single crow I throw out.
PureMystic1 votesI've seen it hit me in unwarded botlane bushes as an enemy support, and just like fiddle's E it has a max bounce range. Though fiddle's an insane amount longer/buggy-er Sivir's W will bounce to unseen enemies in bushes but it just doesn't bounce insanely far. I can attest if you try in a few practice games it will bounce to hidden enemies but length-wise it's not the longest bounce in-game so that's maybe what you're dealing with.
NichtHurz1 votesNo, not really. I've experienced this problem as well and more often than not the W won't bounce through a normal minion wave if you lack vision on the last few minions. Distance isn't the problem here. If it bounces to unseen target in bushes the problem is even bigger due to inconsistency.
Obsidiot1 votesJust tried in a practice game. It didn't bounce to an enemy hiding in a bush unless you ward it.
Exalomaniac1 votesSame with Jhin Q
GGLineaR1 votesFiddlesticks at least has an excuse. He sucks in most situations, so I'm okay with him getting some bullshit.
teemomomomomom1 votesI would agree to this because sivir W works like a fiddle E, and it is one of the main trading abilities with sivir, I suggest change this to the same technique as the fiddle E.