Let me tell you about Fizz.

HongChongDong·12/19/2017, 3:27:13 AM·8 votes·3,076 views

Let me tell you little bit about what Fizz is like.

Arguably the WORST laning phase in the entirety of league of legends. A champion that from level 1 is zoned off of creeps in atleast 85% of his matchups. Often times taking 1/5 of his HP the moment he decides he wants just a single melee minion. This becomes literal hell when you face off against champions who are all about consistent poke and harass, think Jayce, lissandra, Orianna, ect.

Fizz's only real strategy that he's ever had to deal with this is simply hoping to be stronger than his opponent in an all in. You either win your lane from an early point in order to gain lane priority, you fail and lose lane and just multiply the down right infuriating uncounterable gameplay that you were already experiencing, or you play passively and get harshly outscaled as the enemy gains gold and level advantages from your lack of CS and ability to stay in lane for more than brief periods.

Wanna know what D5 and up is like for this? Consistent counterpicking. It's no longer the cheeky plat mid laners who pick veigar, or Lux, or any champion that is essentially a suicide pick into assassins. No, it's always the champions that ruin your day. This has actually gotten even worst with the current pre season. You got Aery that gives them a boost to their poke, you have nullifying orb which will give them added safety against an all in, and you have stop watch which will give them a free escape from your ultimate towards the mid game.

I actually used to be a very kind hearted person. I had never flamed, never trolled, and never exhibited even a single instance of toxic behavior in a whole 2+ years of playing league, then I got to diamond with Fizz. See up until that point it was easy to abuse players as I noted before. They never did anything properly, they never brought the right summoners, Itemization, and always picked suicidal matchups. Once you get into diamond elo this all changes. The consistency of enemy mid laners doing all of those things right SKYROCKETS. They abuse you. Granted it won't be 100% because it's still diamond, but to compare it you'd get players who screwed themselves atleast 3/5 games, in diamond it was more like 1/5.

This actually caused me to quit league for 2 months because even with 70%+ win rate with high diamond MMR the gameplay was just too damn frustrating to continue with. Then the rework came. The rework proceeded to gut fizz as a champion. Basically the rework took fizz, examined him, and then went through every ability and thought of what sort of counterplay could be added. His Q and E were already pretty heavily dodgable, his R was as well but they nerfed that further alittle later. So they added a delay to his W and penalized using your R in any instance besides ranged initiation. They didn't have to touch the passive because that was already weak, outdated, and made no statistical impact on the game.

They added the mana refund on his W, but even that was given couterplay because it doesn't refund the full cost unlike every other farm focused mechanic in the game.

Now down the road fizz is still horribly abused during laning phase, lost overall power so he's less likely to actually kill his mid lane and gain lane pressure so he can actually touch minions, and his late game is a mess. His R is a slow narrow skill shot that is required to hit because it both equals 1/3 of his primary damage and also is the only way to setup his W without dying trying to proc it. His E is slow and massively dodgeable, and most importantly is his short range Q being dodgeable which is almost going to be his only way of managing to use his W in the first place.

What probably annoys me the most though at this stage is the reactions that Fizz gets as a champion. I'm permanently zoned from CSing starting at level 1, I have one of the worst laning phases in league and I'm constantly down both XP and gold, but the moment you get a kill as Fizz you get FLOODED with comments saying that he's broken and has no counterplay. Doesn't matter what shit you have to put up with when playing this champion, doesn't matter that you're an assassin, doesn't matter that you're putting in effort to play this champion or secure kills, you're just broken, require no skill, and have no counterplay.

Remember tank fizz? This is why it exists/existed in the first place. Pre rework fizz (and post rework to a lesser extent) had stats that were viable enough for a tank build, and by going tank build you could get rid of all of the problems that Fizz had to face due to his kits design.

34 Comments

strut12/19/2017, 12:58:03 PM11 votes

If you play Fizz you deserve every bit of suffering you get from the game

Troll for Trump12/19/2017, 9:09:54 AM4 votes

Because no one likes champs jumping around 24/7. Kassadin Leblanc Yasuo Kalista Azir Fizz Riven LeeSin

Are/were some of the most hated champs in the games in the time that I was around. A champ doesn't have to be good to be obnoxious.

JackMcSnipeyz12/19/2017, 12:15:11 PM4 votes

Yea. nobody likes that cancer champ anyway, his design isnt healthy. Having him weak only makes him not fun to play AS aswell as AGAINST

Penns12/19/2017, 5:28:56 AM3 votes

Thats what I realized and made me quit Fizz like 8 months ago when I got to around d4 MMR feelsbadman

He was already kinda frustrating to play before the rework, but that was just because he was underpowered after getting nerfed imo. Theres 2 main differences now: 1. He has no dps (+he has to wait 2 seconds to do damage by default) and 2. His ult has to be hit from over 900 units away which is too unreliable as assassin. No dps just makes you binary af especially as full melee champ.

AquariusGine12/19/2017, 2:52:19 PM3 votes

Fizz deserves what he got

Foxstep12/19/2017, 12:43:44 PM2 votes

It’s really not the reality, I’m an assassin main player. Every assassin in the game right now is strong on lane. Let it be zed, talon, fizz, kat or even akali. It just depends on how you play the lane.

Sure if you risk losing 10% hp for 20 gold you lose lane fast. But than you’re simply bad and don’t understand laning. It doesn’t matter if you have less cs in lane, it really doesn’t. One you killed the enemy taliyah as fizz she’s donezo for the rest of the laning phase.

Fizz early all in is extremely strong and underestimated. He’s one of my favorite champions even tho I don’t play him on this account at all (my graves Test account) you can believe me.

With q you can dodge enemy mage spells, with e you can dodge another one and your aa’s always deal more while you receive less damage from minions. Furthermore he’s at 53% win rate with 8% play rate. He isn’t weak, you’re just not good enough. Sorry.

Red Wreckage12/19/2017, 5:52:56 AM2 votes

His only disadvantage is that he is melee. And his overloaded E is the cause of all his problems. Too much power in 1 single ability.

Juggernaut62812/19/2017, 5:59:24 AM2 votes

I remember good old pre-rework Fizz. Where you just Q on to the enemy at level 3 and likely kill them with relative ease. Now you try to do that and most mid laners will have no problem getting away from you before you can use an empowered W, which doesn't even do much damage until you have Sheen and a few points into it. Personally, the only change I'd like to see is making the mark only need 1.5 seconds instead of 2. His old ult went off after 1.5 seconds, but for some reason they increased it to 2 instead of reducing the time for his W to 1.5 seconds. Even now, quite a while after his rework, I still expect his ult to go off in 1.5 seconds and always end up using my W early because of it. It makes no sense to gate him by a full 2 seconds with how unreliable his kit is. Either you land your ult on the enemy carry or you're forced to E around forever until it's back up again.

Barcid12/19/2017, 6:46:54 AM2 votes

I will say that he has some really awesome zoning and AoE damage now that his ult grows so big. You can chunk an entire team for a large part of their health with that baby at max range, and at that size it forces people to spread out away from whoever's hit making them a really easy target.

But. The part that is kind of fucking stupid about this is that AoE damage like that is a mage's job. It's not Fizz's job. Sniping from that range is a mage's job. It's not Fizz's job. Fizz's job is supposed to be kill a single target, but he now has such a fucking weird identity that he doesn't flow like an assassin should.

Wait on the sidelines, make a fucking skillshot first, hope it hits, then go in. If it doesn't, well you're a fucking loser now aren't you? Better sit around and hope your team can do actual damage so you can pick people off.

If it does hit, now you have to waddle your fat ass up to the target and Q onto them so you can E in order to keep yourself around long enough to actually get your W's damage off. Can't close the gap in time? Then feel free to use E to close the gap instead of survive and then get insta-gibbed by the enemy team who have just stunlocked you into the next millennium because you have literally no survivability after that point.

Now let's look at basically all other assassins and how they play. Their survivability (either some form of bulk, disengage, or escape), engage, and poke:

Akali Survivability on W and passive, engage on R, poke on Q (albeit short range)

Diana Survivability on W, engage on R, poke on Q

Ekko Survivability on R, engage on E, poke on Q

Evelynn Survivability and primary engage in passive, poke on Q, disengage on R

Elise Poke on abilities in human form, engage and survivability in spider form

I'm not even halfway through the list, but you see the pattern. Now let's check Fizz for how he plays:

Fizz Survivability and primary engage on E, poke (?) on R (?)

If you even want to use it as that.

Fizz has literally no survivability besides his primary engage. And at max level this stupid thing has a 10 second cooldown.

The only other champion to share his only real form of engage with his only real form of survivability is Kassadin, having no extra invulnerability and no additional ability to escape. The difference is that Kass has Q to poke and farm with and his Q does reasonable damage.

Fizz has dick.

Fizz has to get slapped across the face or be a god-mode poke dodger to win his lane or he needs his jungler to camp his ass and help him get to the point where he can all-in 24/7.

Like, nothing's changed about Fizz from how Riot tuned him. The number one complaint was that he just all-ins people and wins with questionable counterplay at best.

That's still his entire gameplay. He just doesn't do it consistently anymore.

That's not fixing anything, that's just pissing more people off.

In Borke Veritas12/19/2017, 2:43:32 PM2 votes

You mean the same champion that I had a 3/0 lead on as Viktor, was level 5 against my level 7, had nothing but a Sheen and a Doran's ring, I had just returned from buying thus I was on full health... then he hit level 6 from the current minion wave, fired off his ult instantly, it latched onto me (because lul let's make it jump further the further it goes) and in the span of about 2 seconds, I was in grey screen without even getting a chance to fight back because lul knockup and lul untargettable? Yeah. I don't think Fizz needs buffs. EDIT: Good thing we have 10 bans now, I haven't seen Fizz on SR once ever since that game

Violet Fields12/19/2017, 6:54:10 AM1 votes

I thought Kassadin was the worst. Especially when he doesn't go flash. He has no sustain, terrible mana costs (unless you're able to use your W), has no kill pressure until he either gets Lich Bane or someone ganks, he's also pretty suicidal to play, and I mean that literally and just in the game.

AR URF12/19/2017, 3:15:51 PM1 votes

in before someone turns this into a yasuo thread.

Also Fizz and dark harvest. You should try it.

Gives No Lux12/22/2017, 6:43:47 AM1 votes

Simple solution: Don't play Fizz, ever. EVER. Fizz ranks about two Teemos below Teemo in my book.

krish12/2/2018, 6:33:56 AM1 votes

I don’t know whom to buy fizz or kassadin Or irelia