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Fiora is under powered and Yi is not so much. (REPOST)

dramatic banana·5/4/2015, 1:55:18 AM·2 votes·900 views

So my old post got deleted because I thought that boards feedback meant feedback on the champions from The League Of Legends Boards. Here it is again, please don't take it down again fingers crossed

You know Fiora'sFiora ult, Blade Waltz? Well, Master Yi'sMasterYi Alpha Strike max level does more damage than Blade Waltz at level one. Let's say you level up Alpha Strike ONLY, and you hit level five. You get to use Fiora's ult every 14 seconds, and the only setbacks are that you could only level Alpha Strike until it was max and that you can target ONE less enemy. But wait, theres more! Fiora's ult at level one adds 90% AD to the attack. Yi's Q adds 100%. I think that Yi is over powered and Fiora is severely underpowered because Yi's Q has the potential to be Fiora's ult for a fifth or more of the game. Now let's look at meditate. It is a 30(+30%ap)-60(+60%ap) heal PER SECOND. It also halves turret damage and reduces incoming player damage. Oh wait, never mind. It reduces ALL incoming damage. Now we can look at Wuju Style and Burst Of Speed.

PASSIVE: Master Yi gains 10% of his total AD as bonus attack damage.

ACTIVE: Autoattacks deal bonus true damage for 5 seconds. Afterwards, the passive bonus is lost until Wuju Style is off cooldown. BONUS TRUE DAMAGE: 10 / 15 / 20 / 25 / 30 (+ 10 / 12.5 / 15 / 17.5 / 20% AD)

What is this? 10% plus another 10 on activation. Plus another 10%. What? How has Yi NOT been nerfed. Let's move on to Fiora.

ACTIVE: Fiora gains bonus attack speed for 3 seconds. Each basic attack or Lunge she lands during this time increases her movement speed for 3 seconds, stacking up to 3 times.

Killing an enemy champion refreshes the cooldown of Burst of Speed. Assists reduce the cooldown by half of the base amount. BONUS ATTACK SPEED: 60 / 75 / 90 / 105 / 120% BONUS MOVEMENT SPEED: 7 / 9 / 11 / 13 / 15% MAX MOVEMENT SPEED: 21 / 27 / 33 / 39 / 45%

This is pretty much Yi's Ult. Except Yi's ult makes ALL of his abilities get a cd reduction on kills and assists. "But it's Yi's ult OF COURSE it's good!" No. No no no. Yi's ult SHOULD be Alpha Strike. Actually, maybe we should completely remove Alpha Strike because it is LITERALLY FIORA'S ULT.

Then there's Riposte. The first of two ways Fiora is not female Yi. Riposte blocks an attack and does some damage to an enemy. You also get a flat AD buff passively. So it's passive is a bad version of Wuju Style's passive and the active is a shield that protects and reflects only basic attacks.

The second way Fiora is not Yi is her passive, Medita-- Duelist. When she hits someone she gets a slight regen buff. If she hits champions, the buff is stackable. Yi's passive is Double Strike. It lets Yi do two basics every so often. That basic also applies on hit effects BUT ITS SO BALANCED BECAUSE IT DOES 50% OF AD GUYS! o ya and it crits too. Wait, it can crit!? You do a basic attack with on hit effects and lets say your lucky and crit. Then you do ANOTHER basic that does 50% of your AD and crits (because you're super lucky) AND does on hit effects.

Oh yeah, Lunge! Almost forgot! Fiora's only good ability that wasn't ripped off from Yi! ACTIVE: Fiora dashes forward to strike her target, dealing physical damage. Lunge can be recast a second time within 4 seconds of the initial cast for no additional cost. PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 40 / 65 / 90 / 115 / 140 (+ 60% Bonus AD) TOTAL DAMAGE: 80 / 130 / 180 / 230 / 280 (+ 120% Bonus AD) You can dash to 2 different targets or to a single target twice for a total of 80 / 130 / 180 / 230 / 280 (+ 120% Bonus AD)!

That's it. Her only good ability is simple, but useful. It's more of a utility ability with damage thrown in. That's it.

Nerf Yi. Buff Fiora. If your not nerfing Yi at least buff Fiora. She suffers. item 3070 Fiora item 3070 That's all have to say.

8 Comments

junglerboy165/4/2015, 2:12:12 AM5 votes

You are taking everything about them very far out of context.

Some important things you conveniently forgot:

  • Fiora's ult applies on-hits and delays a fight for considerably longer (applies lifesteal and can be lifesaving if her allies are coming to back her up).
  • Master Yi's Alpha strike is not guaranteed to hit champions and can only hit a single target once, unlike Fiora's R.
  • Master Yi's meditate is easily countered by displacement and grievous wounds, as well as true damage, and a Yi who is actually trying to win never builds AP.
  • Master Yi's Wuju Style is supposed to be extremely strong as the game goes on, and he sacrifices his damage steroid when it is on its lengthy cooldown.
  • Fiora's Burst of Speed is just that, a burst. it is excellent for pushing towers and bursting squishier, and that is exactly what it is supposed to do. Master Yi's R is a prolonged and overall weaker steroid that relies on him chaining kills to actually maintain the steroid from it.
  • Riposte's Passive is FAR stronger than Juju Style's passive unless Yi has over 350 bonus AD and never puts the ability on cooldown. You didn't forget this, you are just mathematically wrong. Riposte itself is analogous to Meditate, and is more efficient in a duel since it blocks damage, deals damage, and does not require channeling.
  • Duelist is lousy, yes, we get it.
  • Double strike is balanced around the fact that it only enhances his DPS, he cannot use it in a burst combo unless he has already been attacking something.
  • Lunge is a targeted gap closer with high damage and a reactivation for no cost. It is basically equivalent to Master Yi's Alpha strike in terms of mobility spell and nuke combination.
  • Lastly, do you even know anything about their statistics? Master Yi has a 49% win rate, where Fiora has a 53% win rate.

You are complaining about stuff that simply isn't real, sorry.

MalzaharAnyLane5/4/2015, 2:05:20 AM1 votes

You should try 1v1ing Fiora as Yi.

You'll lose. There is a very good reason Yi never ever fights Fiora without his team around unless he's an idiot or has a 5k+ gold advantage over Fiora.

Fiora is my main, everything you've written there, while not necessarily incorrect, doesn't mean what you think it means.

Fiora scales harder than Yi and fights better 1v1. Yi fights better in teamfights, but the differences become moot when Fiora gets Hydra, which lets her attacks and ult become AOE because her ult applies on-hit effects. Yi's Alpha Strike does not.

Yi is a little more resistant to CC in that he can pop the heal when everyone's CC is blown long enough to wait out his cooldowns... but this is no different than a genuine mage buying Zhonyas.

Yi can't beat Riven, Fiora vs. Riven is determined entirely by skill matchup.

Yi's ult is much harder to use correctly, Fiora can Q in, ult, use E, Q in again, and W for when the opponent tries to retaliate. The tower only matters at that point if someone else is counterganking during the dive, Yi can't dive because he uses Alpha Strike as an initiation tool.

Fiora's W is for winning lane trades, not for waiting out cooldowns or healing up between lanes/jungle camps. Fiora also doesn't need to attack the enemy as many times to win a fight as Yi does, unless Yi has his ult up and certain very specific items, his duelling power is very very underwhelming.

Yi is a teamfight janitor. Fiora is often best off fighting like an assassin even if she's really a melee carry, so she goes in first /then/ her tank follows up. Yi will die doing this.

The differences are in how they operate in split second moments and how their skills change player decision making, not how they operate on paper. Fiora is better chasing down split-pushers or split-pushing herself because it requires a tank or 2 people to stop her, Yi is much better off in teamfights.

Yi is not an all-in fighter. Fiora definitely is a win or die fighter, she doesn't need escapes. Yi has escapes built in all over his kit because, again, team fighter DPSer.

The fact that Fiora doesn't fear Zed or Talon or Kayle or even LeBlanc 1v1 speaks volumes in this meta, she's one of the squishies that is going to be able to outmaneuver and outplay those. Yi cannot.

SEKAI5/4/2015, 2:39:27 AM1 votes

Alpha Strike max level does more damage than Blade Waltz at level one.

But you have to be like lvl 9 to have 1 spell maxed so it makes sense that max leveled Alpha Strike does more damage than lvl 1 Blade Waltz.

dramatic banana5/4/2015, 2:10:25 PM1 votes

So this was an experiment so that I could get some insight on why or why not people think Yi is overpowered and this was mainly so I could learn about Fiora . Thanks!