Ap Gragas

infinyx·11/28/2015, 10:26:56 PM·3 votes·1,095 views

Alright Riot lets talk real here, AP gragas. Now I am myself an Ap gragas main and always will be as with a few other people who will hopefully get a chance to take a look at this discussion. But honestly I feel like riot has just left him to die. Gragas right now has an under 47% winrate. What I am asking is for Riot to give gragas some sort of AP boost, like a bonus .2 ratio on his q or ult, something that would not affect if you built him tank at all but instead just something for us ap gragas mains to give him the boost he needs, not to become overpowered (We don't need that old ap gragas again) but instead just to be more fun to play again.

7 Comments

Asayake 5150glow11/28/2015, 10:27:59 PM3 votes

His Q only got a -.2 nerf on it's ratios... you're literally asking for the old Gragas.

q O y O p11/28/2015, 10:33:42 PM2 votes

From the look of your video, he's fine.

infinyx11/28/2015, 10:36:26 PM2 votes

I am not even asking for old gragas back, that was obviously broken, just some quality improvements on something incredibly fun to play, but lacks something in the end

Spookÿ11/28/2015, 11:10:29 PM2 votes

Not sure, but I believe you may be right about him. He used to be so strong and now only select few people still play him AP because he needs some items to really shine again. I think a small buff might be a good idea as well :) make him more enjoyable for more people who arent as good Gragas

junglerboy1611/29/2015, 1:04:27 AM2 votes

To be honest, they don't like AP Gragas for a reason. With the kit he has now, AP Gragas is actually pretty binary. He is either unable to wave clear and too squishy to go in for kills, or he is able to wave clear and his burst is over the top.

Right now AP garages is workable, if a little weak. He has solid ratios across the board (up to 250% AP across a full burst rotation) And pretty good base damage (1180+8% of the target's max health) and enough CC that he can usually burst a single target without retaliation (slow, 2 knockbacks, and a stun). Throw in the fact that any good AP Gragas builds Lich bane for an extra 91 +(50% AP) damage at level 18 and he's actually very bursty.

Only because of his Q taking time to charge to max damage and his reliance on now getting up close and personal to deal his burst is he less favorable. Personally, I think AP Bruiser Gragas is pretty strong. He has good ratios and all you need is a Lich bane and maybe an Abyssal and then just go tanky (maybe build a RoA if you are ahead too).

EDIT: Really, looking at the video he is actually just fine right now. All you have to do is set up your own combos and his burst looks fine. You're asking for buffs for a champ right alongside a video showing current footage (at least since the last time AP Gragas ever received nerfs) of AP Gragas stomping people. That is the largest argument against a buff that I can think of.

Andrionar11/29/2015, 1:30:01 AM1 votes

Riot doesn't want him to be an ap caster. According to them hes has to fit in the meta as a tank. I played ap gragas a few times and he feels pretty fine if you know how to play him.