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If Riot are going to keep what they say about Assassins true...

Murderoticadam·6/28/2016, 5:08:43 PM·7 votes·2,673 views

((Update This is not specifically about Veigar, I was unaware that Riot had changed him recently so that his ult does not scale off enemy AP anymore. However, I believe the point may still be valid so please read and be aware that I was commenting on this from OLD Veigar perspective but there are other champs that do this.))

Riot have specifically stated that they want more time to counterplay an assassins burst and it will be something they will look at in the upcoming rework. However I feel that I need to point out that this plea seems somewhat hypocritical while champions like Veigar are still in the game who can pretty much destroy any AP heavy champion with a click of his R, which is not even a skillshot.

I fail to see how Riot can keep their intentions when this exists because it just seems like they have a double standard. I am an AP main and I'm aware that you need to build slightly different when facing Veigar, if you build flat AP, you are pretty much boned so you need specific quantities of magic resist...

However...

If Riot say that they want to eliminate "one-shotting" from the game to allow for more counterplay (which is an excellent idea and will help to create a much less toxic environment, In my Opinion). Won't that mean they will need to change or eliminate currently existing champions that are not assassins but can do the same thing, such as Veigar or Nasus, both of which have counterplay issues?

46 Comments

ZT Xperimentor6/28/2016, 5:19:24 PM6 votes

Meanwhile most marksmen can accomplish the same thing a fed veigar can every 2 seconds with auto-attacks; thanks to the abundance of armor penetration & critical hits, and often at farther range.

LiveYiOrDieHard6/28/2016, 5:16:42 PM4 votes

Basically EVERY non-full-tank champion right now can burst you down, especially if they're ahead. Riot never fixes the root of the problem (insane damage across the board) and just nerfs random champions into the dirt, never to be seen again.

Mirkhail6/29/2016, 12:19:07 PM3 votes

Burst mage are not the same as assassin, assassin have ton of mobility and damage to easily get to a priority target, delete him in a second without giving him time to react and then go back to their team making the fight a 4v5. Burst mage can't reach the priority target like assassin, they have to pass the front line and most mages don't have the sustained damage to kill the enemy tanks. So burst mage have cc to help their team and make picks, they can't as easily kill a target but they have other option, veigar will not always be able to stun someone important, land all his abilities, waiting one second the ult but he zone the enemy with his cage or use it to defend his adc or team (if a voli engage he can cage).

Quepha6/28/2016, 5:25:21 PM3 votes

Veigar's R was changed in the MYMU. It no longer does more damage based on the enemy's AP and can't really kill a target unless they're already at low health because that ratio was replaced with execute damage.

GaleWinUnleashed6/28/2016, 5:24:13 PM2 votes

Veigar no longer has any specific advantage against AP champions, by the way; they removed his enemy AP scaling.

This doesn't undermine your argument by any means, just pointing it out.

https://i.imgur.com/1HvNiEO.png?noredirect

The Yetii Rider6/28/2016, 8:47:24 PM2 votes

The problem isn't assassin's burst potential. Assassins are still going to burst the hell out of people.

The problem is assassins have insane burst AND super high mobility, which limits your reaction time to basically 0 seconds.

Veigar can blow you up, definitely. But he has to get into range, and you can dodge his cage. If you dodge his cage, his W isn't going to hit you, and if you do both of those, it will take much longer for him to get you low enough to kill you with his ult.

So yes, to that specific point, Riot is with you and has already addressed the issue of Veigar one-shotting by making his ult specifically stronger based on how much damage the target has already taken.

Nasus is another champion that's got plenty of counterplay. You kite the hell out of him. Assassins are basically designed to be impossible to kite. It's like saying that a turbo scooter is just as dangerous to a driver as a Ferrari because they both eventually cross the same finish line.

Zach Sandwhich6/28/2016, 5:13:54 PM2 votes

Veigar ult is based on enemy AP after the rework to my knowledge (Pretty sure its how low enemy health is and it does more the lower it is?). Veigar is one of the squishest characters in the game so if you even sneeze on him hes fucked. Plus to fully one shot you he has to land everything which is rather hit or miss, besides the ult ofc. Nasus needs a LOT farm to hit one shot level so I feel like he doesn't really apply here. I do agree that one shotting does provide a less toxic environment.

TaricMeRwgesEksw6/30/2016, 2:48:27 PM1 votes

Nah if they remove one-shotting from the game it would be less funnier, not everyone plays for competitive reason or to climb the elo ladder , some play just to have fun and that's completely understood , if riot wants to take that fun which was the reason to release the game it will not be a "game" anymore.

TheHurricaneGamr6/28/2016, 5:22:43 PM1 votes

Nasus is quite annoying to face with that AS slow. However, all of his meaningful damage (his Q) is single target and Nasus is easily kited. Veigar Veigar is just one of those champions that is just going to one-shot people. It's part of his Identity. However, after he ults somebody, the amount that he can contribute to his team damage wise falls off significantly. His Q is a skillshot that can be blocked by minions, his W is a very telegraphed AOE nuke that is hard to land if the enemy is paying attention. His E is good for creating picks, but most people are either going to walk in the cage for the duration, flash the wall, or simply avoid the cage all together.

Frnak6/28/2016, 5:30:06 PM1 votes

ITT: Not realizing Veigar no longer scales R with opponent's AP and is actually an executioner style ult.

YJRBqwXJcS6/29/2016, 1:41:56 AM1 votes

its only a bad thing if assassins are doing it

macdshifty6/29/2016, 7:52:29 PM1 votes

Are you serious... While you have a point old Veigar lacked counter play, new Veigar is not worth mentioning after they made a delay on his e and his ultimate no longer scales with enemy ap. However I find it extremely lacking in game knowledge that you mention Nasus as lacking counter play, since he is one of the oldest champions with clear counter play in the game. The fact that Riot says they want assassins to not be able to one shot people... And you say they are hypocritical because Nasus exists... is ridiculous. It doesn't at all follow the context that Riot outlined in their statement, and is simply false. Nasus is easy to counter and you are just way out of the loop with Veigar.