As an Ahri main, I want changes

Fur Fox Sake·3/30/2017, 8:54:39 PM·26 votes·3,755 views

Most of you guys think that Ahri is strong in every way and I have to disagree but please listen to what I have to say, she's not that strong especially when compared to other mid laners. Her main issue is the fact that she is way too safe. I play mid a lot, usually Ahri of course & anytime someone picks her against me I simply go Lux & I actually do extremely well and win most of my games against her. However, I'm tired of seeing bad Ahri's being able to play so safe in lane pre lvl 6 due to her Q movement speed. This is the main reason for her winrate. There's no such thing as a bad Ahri BECAUSE you can't be bad at playing safe when you're a champion that's already naturally safe. Q ms buff, Flash, and 3 ult dashes. When did she ever need Q movement speed buff, so she can run away from all her problems like a safe little coward?

I remember when Ahri used to be HEALTHY, back when she had to actually land charms to get kills. Back when she used to take SKILL to play. When she wasn't so easy as she is now... like Riot please don't make a champion naturally safe. People in this game need to LEARN how to play safe as is. I know you want Ahri to be a kitey mage, well she is already kitey with her ultimate & that was enough, now she is almost untouchable unless she messes up big time.

Now her damage, her damage is not that great. I can't express how many times I actually get out-traded by damage pre-6 even landing my combo. I have to rely on hitting my Q on the enemy a lot more than they need to land their main poke ability on me to do the same damage. Kat for example, if she just jumps on you and you combo her she still is sitting at way more health than you are after that trade. There are so many mid laners that do so much more damage than her they just lack this aspect: the ability to be consistently safe like Ahri. Ahri can get fed off of her jungler's ganks so much more easier than someone can get fed against an Ahri with help of a jungler for she will just run away. This is another reason why Ahri is so easily fed and why she is doing so much damage.

So what changes do I want? I don't want her damage to be nerfed at all, I think it is fine the way it is unless you guys nerf it slightly. SLIGHTLY. Maybe nerf foxfire because people complain about dying to an Ahri without her using skillshots sometimes (In my opinion, foxfire doesn't even really do that much damage lel but it will make her even more skill shot reliant). The biggest change I want however is removing the Q movement speed buff. I don't even care about keeping it and having it only when she hits the enemy, her winrate will most likely still be high. This is the main cause of what has ruined her from being a stable 50% win rate healthy mage. & DO NOT touch her ranges, her ranges have been touched enough, she has to be pretty close for her w and r to go off on you. If she didn't have her Q and E range she would be completely useless and bad. You might as well turn her melee if you want her ranges cut short so bad lmfao she is supposed to be a ranged mage like Syndra, Lux, etc..

So Riot if you do anything to her, please listen to what I'm suggesting here & honestly I wouldn't even mind a complete revert to her old playstyle where she got 20% increased damage from landing a charm and she didn't do much damage otherwise. That was healthy for Ahri. She wasn't way too safe as she is now and she wasn't that easy to play. Now it's impossible to be bad Ahri it's almost disgusting. She can play SAFE and AGGRESSIVE at the same time all because of this Q movement speed buff. It's way too good.. most of us Ahri mains don't even want it. We never think she even needed it! This was just a horrible balance change to me from the start.. I just can't wait to get some kind of nerf so she can be skillful again and not have such a high winrate & pick rate lmao

81 Comments

KindredAndWolf3/31/2017, 12:31:25 AM7 votes

Its hard for ahri to kill anyone unless she is fed. The q MS bonus was added after they nerfed her old empowered charm because people on these boards were complaining about it 2 years ago (/cry Ahri kills me in one spell rotation with one charm!!! qq) . Now you guys want to nerf her more, no ms buff or damage amplification . Im not even an ahri player but please, just forget about Ahri nerfs, they aren't coming. Ahri is only half the champ she used to be, she cant even blow people up unless she is ridiculously fed. She used to be one of the few true mage assassins, now she is a Kite mage (because you people complained so hard about her assassin like damage 2 years ago) and that is how riot intended her to be.

BALDG1VEN BOOMER3/30/2017, 9:35:58 PM4 votes

Her Q MS can be removed it's one of the main issues as to why she can stay so safe during laning phase.

Her W damage can be toned down a little I don't get why it does the same base damage as Q with +5% better AP scaling with additional damage that targets the closets thing, it's basically a compensation for her missing her Q.

Nymzo3/31/2017, 1:21:29 AM4 votes

Like your name tho

Denimist3/31/2017, 9:50:47 PM2 votes

well, a change i would like would be nerfing q speed to the ground (much less duration, more speed, only applis if q hits the same champion twice) , but adding a mechanic that (would make her op xD) fox fire targets charmed ones over others. something like that would make it so that if you double hit a q on a champ, you get the outplay/safety .. though im a really bad player so take my thoughts with a (Huge) grain of salt.

Dancing Foxx3/31/2017, 1:05:06 AM2 votes

Without Q speed how do you avoid all the mids who outrange her? Just get hit constantly?

These threads and others asking to gut a champion often make me feel like they don't want a champ to have any impact at all. Remove Q speed, increase cooldowns, reduce damage, blah blah. resulting in what? Someone that might as well just be removed from the game?

Evenstar3/31/2017, 4:31:21 AM2 votes

TL;DR of this post - Please bring back the 20% dmg amp.

Not happening. I'm actually still surprised some Ahri players want the 20% dmg amp to come back. It was legitimately the worst aspect of her kit. And you asking for Foxfire to be nerfed is rather thoughtless. For starters, Foxfire has been nerfed many many times whenever balancing Ahri has come in to the picture, then followed by her Ultimate.

It was the worst part of her kit because it divided Ahri players in to the group that enjoys playing her as a kite mage and the other that enjoys playing her as an Assassin, which was never her identity to begin with. Reverting Ahri back in to Riot's idea of a premier kite mage is the best balance approach that has happened to her.

The myth of Ahri one shotting you with R-W only happens when you snowball hard with items. For most parts, if you tell me that previously you had to land E to do some serious damage and now you don't, I'm gonna call bullshit on that. With or without the damage amp, Charm has always been the glue to Ahri's kit.

You charm a target to get the full damage from Q, you charm a target so they don't hit you back when you dive in to their face.

VoraciousX3/31/2017, 5:16:10 AM2 votes

I think the Q move speed buff needs to go as well. I thought it was silly when they first added it(btw for those of you who think they added it to fix some other part of her kit that was nerfed, not really. I'm pretty sure they added it when Ahri's charm was made where dashes completed their travel before it started working, or shortly after. A VERY situational "nerf" that didn't affect her very much at all). Ahri was always fine before that, but if people REALLY want to cry about her if she loses her Q move speed buff, they could always make her ulti work like release Ahri where it had no cooldown inbetween casts and only had 2 charges where she could basically tower dive with no HP lost, lol.

I Stealth I3/31/2017, 5:30:49 AM2 votes

Ahri main against Ahri? That takes fucking courage. +1

HalcyonDweller3/30/2017, 11:44:39 PM1 votes

I like your ideas, and I have a few of my own to offer as well:

I think that RIOT's purpose for putting movement speed on the Q was to give Ahri an easier time with trying to re-position so it hits twice.

Now how to still provide that while removing safety from the ability I am not sure. I would guess that RIOT will be thinking about this if/when they look at changing her.

If I think of anything good I'll edit to add it here.

Troll for Trump3/31/2017, 12:18:49 AM1 votes

Most of you guys think that Ahri is strong in every way

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Yara03/31/2017, 3:04:47 AM1 votes

Pick Syndra into Ahri as much as people would hate to admit it ahris damage is quite low she can only poke over the wave with one ability Syndra out damages ahri has easier cc to land And basically always wins the all in. Im not saying Syndra is op im saying she is very strong against ahri. If they nerf ahris mobility hard and dont give her any damage to compensate trust me her WR will Tank super fucking hard. Hopefully they can nerf her and still keep her viable.

Bisaknosp3/31/2017, 3:50:39 AM1 votes

or you know dont touch her at all when shes fine? lul