AP Tank Items?

FoxFyre·3/19/2017, 1:20:33 AM·17 votes·12,218 views

I feel like, when compared to armor, there aren't many "pure tank" items that give MR and Health.

The only two I can think of are and . While I don't have a problem with these items, people seem to usually buy them for their stats, not necessarily their passives. There are three items that provide armor and health, being , and . There are more that give armor and no health, being , , and.

The pattern I see is that there are more "tanky" items that give armor, while magic resist is a bit of an afterthought on off-tank items, with the two exceptions I mentioned before. Personally, I believe that more "MR and health" items would lead to more options and versatility in a tank's build path.

Anyway, what do you guys think? Does League need more versatility in tanky MR items? Just another bad idea from a low ELO player? Would this inevitably lead to another tank meta?

32 Comments

LankPants3/19/2017, 4:08:27 AM10 votes

That title confused the fuck out of me, I was kind of assuming you'd be talking about RoA and Zhonya's.

But yes, you're right that League needs more accessible MR items for tanks as well as possibly more MR items in general.

The current designs of MR items for tanks are just not good. SV is always the optimal MR item for tanks and it inherently favours certain tanks over others, for example it's core on Zac, but if my tank has no healing then it's just stats, which it's good enough to do as well. BV is just a hot mess and doesn't really have any use cases left.

I'd actually like to see SV removed completely and healing based champs who rely on it rebalanced around not having it and BV moved into a cheap anti-burst space more for carries, Less gold, remove the HP regen and HP and bump the MR to 75 or 80.

In SV's place I'd like to see two new items, on based off of dealing with sustained magic damage champs like Ryze and Cassio and one that was a more generic statsticky type of item along the lines of SV but with a more generically useful passive or active.

fuffychan3/19/2017, 2:05:27 AM3 votes

AP items have all been nerfed and are terrible. And if someone is tanky enough with magic resist they are literally unkillable because AP champs are limited by cooldowns, however AD champions can still beat armor over long enough time.

SlaktarTasken3/19/2017, 3:08:17 AM3 votes

I could forgive Riot removing FoN... If they bring it back. [zombie-nunu-hearts]

On that note, I would really like for the to be a better variety in magic resist options for tankier champs.

I think banshee's is utter garbage and will pretty much never get it over Visage since it's passive sucks donkeygenitals and is completely overshadowed by EoN or Mercurial, heck even if playing a tank I'd get EoN/Scimitar over Banshee, that's how much it's passive sucks.

So yes please, more magic defense options would be great.

The Yetii Rider3/19/2017, 6:03:14 AM2 votes

Riot has mentioned there seems to be a lack of itemization to protect against sustained magic damage and that they may introduce a new item in the Mid Year Tank Update (MYTU).

That said, there is a very good reason we have more armor items than MR items: because there's just more physical damage in the game than magic damage.

A tank has to absorb, in theory, all forms of damage that are incoming in order to be successful.

Magic damage includes abilities that champions have that deal magic damage, and items that deal magic damage such as item 3285 / item 3091 / item 3087

Physical damage includes abilities that champions have that deal physical damage, items that deal physical damage such as item 3153 , minion damage, tower damage, monster damage, baron/dragon damage, and every champion's auto attacks.

There is a lot more ambient physical damage in the game than magic damage, thus there is more armor itemization options because armor is NECESSARY for tanks. MR is not necessary for a tank, and indeed you can easily face an entire enemy team that may deal little to no magic damage at all, such as Illaoi MasterYi Talon Draven Braum .

bbQsauçe3/19/2017, 1:48:11 PM1 votes

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nice table3/19/2017, 2:57:38 PM1 votes

i remember playing a tank into 5 ap champions and after building 2 items i was like ??? wot do sure you can build a locket and banner but really?

NGNL Asian3/19/2017, 4:49:57 PM1 votes

I mean, ap champs are mianly burst champs, once you have enough hp, you can literally just get 2 mr items then get hp and they cant kill u. That's why you can ult a hp only build mundo as syndra with full spheres and full combo and he wont even drop much hp. Normally tanks like maokai get sunfire, tabis, spirit visage, frozen heart, ga, and randuins

invisiblecat13/19/2017, 6:14:53 PM1 votes

You can literally build item 3065 and/or item 3156 and be immune to magic damage

Xx420n0sc0p3sxX3/19/2017, 8:58:00 PM1 votes

AD has more armor pen, but also, AD generally has sustained damage. More armor is needed against an ad champ. If a mage cant kill you in 1-2 rotations, they arent gonna do much, and you only need 1-2 mr items and health to do that, hence the lack of mr items. Against ad, you have to worry abut auto attacks and criits. Its why sustained ap damage champs like cass do so much damage to tanks despite not having a lot of mr pen.

SirΤeemο3/19/2017, 9:01:57 PM1 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/GAlMAPG2-why-was-breathstealer-removed-kappa <--- this

ImNotGio3/20/2017, 12:05:50 AM1 votes

There's this: item 3190 , all be it, it is a support item. Although Riot nerfed it making it more a solo laner item now.

Spoofghoul3/20/2017, 11:46:31 AM1 votes

if i need more mr + hp i just stack item 3065

people always be like what u doing why u build 4x item 3065

im like well i need hp + mr and this also give 40% cdr and 1025% bonus regen

so why not

BBag0hxULG3/19/2017, 1:32:05 AM1 votes

I've noticed this for a while, I sense favoritism to AP carries.

Maximum Morde3/20/2017, 11:57:24 AM1 votes

Plenty of MR items.

Boots Spirit Visage Banshees Veil Locket of the Iron Solari Banner of Command Guardian Angel Zz'rot Portal

That's without even getting into the offensive MR items. In addition, Magic damage comes in bursts, not a constant stream like physical, so you don't need as much MR to shut down a mage as you need armor to shut down an AD champion. There is virtually never a case where you would even want more than 3 MR items, which you can get the best with Boots, SV and BV. Most of the time you wouldn't even want more than two.

TL:DR - There is more than enough MR itemization out there for tanks right now.

Marshbouy3/19/2017, 1:48:21 AM1 votes

AD has more available AR pen. AP has less available MR pen. It is intended to balance itself out.

Flawless Fetus3/19/2017, 4:30:02 AM1 votes

Rip force of nature. :(

BLACK REALM GOD3/19/2017, 10:25:55 AM1 votes

item 3060 item 3512 item 3190 item 3026 item 3222

did you guys forget about these items? i mean they're pretty cheap...