And remember how everyone saying he was overpowered got downvoted?
Well, he's now up to a 56% win rate with one of the highest play-rates in the game lmao. This is evidence for why Riot doesn't take the boards seriously. So many people on here have no clue what they're talking about.
Sett just has a numbers problem. Lower his grit conversion and/or the base damage on W. Suddenly he's no longer an issue.
Yeah and riot says aphelios is the most difficult champion. Who cares what people say.
Most people said he was more balanced than any other champion release in a long time, and they are right. Sett is very overtuned, but the upcoming nerfs to his W and passive should fix him. Compare Sett to the following:
Pyke, Kai'sa, Sylas, Yuumi, Qiyana, Senna, Aphelios, Irelia rework, Akali rework, Pantheon rework, Mordekaiser rework, Aatrox rework, ...
All of which have caused or are still causing a lot of problems to the balance team.
Well, let me preface this by saying anyone offering an opinion on how strong/weak a champ will be on release is a complete and utter moron.
Now, I will follow up by saying that Sett might be bonkers out the ass busted in all levels of play right now BUT he CAN be balanced without kit changes.
In comparison, irelia akali aatrox yuumi sylas, have all had tools taken away from their kit.
So, in the long run, I do believe sett will not be as much a balance nightmare as those.
In my humble opinion, it is understandable to release champions with numbers that will need to be nerfed, than champions that will need to have their Kit/Combos changed, because a champ with nerfed numbers is played the same way, meanwhile a champ with changed kit needs to be PLAYED differently, which will be way worse for people that invested time to learn mechanics.
Again, Sett is the no1 target for Bans atm imo. 56% winrate in masters+ don't lie
He is pretty strong. But again we should tell it how it is: most of the boards said he FELT balanced. How the game feels and the stats on paper are both very different and both are important... For reference, Aphelios, has a 49% winrate yet his banrate is STILL higher than Sett's; evidently no one wants to play with an Aphelios regardless of winrate.
I will say that Sett is likely a bit too strong, but is already getting a nerf in 10.3. But guess what? Aphelios is ALSO getting another nerf in 10.3. The board users were right about plenty of things about Sett, the only issue would be if they felt he was 100% fine which by the way, after looking through, nearly everyone said hes good but needs tweaking, so obviously they weren't advocating he's perfectly balanced.
So in short, he needs a nerf, hets getting a nerf, but his entire design is much more healthy for the game than the last 10 champs in the game and both I and obviously the community at large based on ban rates, prefer Sett-like-champ with 56% win rate than an Aphelios-like-champ with 49% win rate. (This same issue with things like Akali...)
I have not really had an issue playing against a Sett, and playing As him against people who have a clue what he does teaches me what some of his weaknesses are.
Of course he has a high win rate when there is way too many people who insist that "hes op. He needs nerfs." But never find the obvious ways of beating him because you are too busy complaining about him.
lets be fair: after 4 years and over 30 overloaded 1shot machines, seing such a simple champ just baited us all.
and no this is not the reason why riot doesnt come to the boards. the reason is, the nazi mods on lol reddit delete EVERYTHING they want. thus there are only comments about how great riot is. and their 200 years of experience.
i myself for example didnt know setts basestats were so op that he'd bash your skull in with trinity while becoming almost undying.
He isn't that broken tbh. WInrates don't decide whether a champion is broken.
Akali and Yasuo have remained broken on negative winrtes in forever. As for Sett, he can be balanced with mere number changes and even at the moment has clear windows of weaknesses.
His spiked winrate and pickrate its because he is a counterpick to the most picked toplanes 
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I hope the nerfs come with small compensation to Q/E/R because they feel pretty bleh despite W being bonkers.
The kit itself is balanced.
W numbers is his only issue.
it's more a testament to how a champ with actuall weaknesses and a ratehr fair kit feels more balanced to face despite haveing overtuned numbers, opposed to overloaded designs that have an answer to nearly every situation like the akali rework that feel horrible to face even if numerical undetuned.
Set will probably be balanced once the fine tuneing of his numbers has been done, which can't be said about many of the other recent releases and reworks.
Boards might not be a great source for detailed balance, but they can certainly give alot insight in perceived power and sources of frustration/discontent among players. And the boards paint a pretty clear picture on that for years now with riot not really giveing a damn about it. The vast majority of champs that are complained about are the CertainlyT style of champs(don't think it's fair to blaim it all on him, but i think everyone knows what type of champs i mean with that) of which nearly all are new releases/reworks, and most of them pop of in high elo or on one-tricks and have a rather bad average winrate compared to their peak performance. Damage and powercreep are constantly complained about basically since S6 Snowballing/onesided stomps are an issue that constantly is called out basically since S6 aswell Matchmakeing is a constant source of frustration for many players and if you belive the boards, it's not getting any improvement but instead gets rather worse with every season.
Boards might not be well suited for direct balance, but there are still quite interresting informations and insight it offers to devs, but even those apparently get completely ingored by riot since years.
Most people would immediately dismiss him as not an issue simply because of his lack of mobility, without taking into account everything else that he's capable of.
People did the same thing with Mordekaiser after his latest rework.
Unlike a majority of champions, he needs number adjustement not kit adjustement, I still stand on him not being OP, he's a Simple Juggernaut with a number problem, of course he's gonna have a high winrate.
I still think Sett is fine tbh but then again I don't really play top lane, and if I do I play Teemo.
These type of posts are a joke. No one is willing to learn to play against him and they come on here to complain. He is a champion designed to do well in fights and people are surprised he is doing well in fights. It’s mind numbing. The problem is these type of people are all used to abusing damage meta champions, but Sett is good against them cause his kit counters the larger number of them. Darius destroying top lane and getting free kills with his bleed? Well Sett counters that. A cancer like vayne trying to gun him down top lane? Well she can’t escape as easily from Sett to create a gap so she gets free kill. His win rate is of course going to be high when people blindly dive him and have no idea how to deal with him. After playing Sett since the PBE, I’ve seen plenty of people out play him and do well in shutting him down by not fighting the fighting champion. Learn to kit and strategize. Almost all my wins as Sett is from people trying to 1v1 me while I’m ahead in levels and farm.........
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And remember how everyone saying he was overpowered got downvoted?
Well, he's now up to a 56% win rate with one of the highest play-rates in the game lmao. This is evidence for why Riot doesn't take the boards seriously. So many people on here have no clue what they're talking about.
I don't find him fucking bullshit to play against. His numbers just need toned down slightly.
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And remember how everyone saying he was overpowered got downvoted?
Well, he's now up to a 56% win rate with one of the highest play-rates in the game lmao. This is evidence for why Riot doesn't take the boards seriously. So many people on here have no clue what they're talking about.
The issue is and remains that his kit is simple to understand. The numbers might be high, but you can pretty easily understand EVERYTHING he does. You don't have to know the 10 different weapon passive pairings of 
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I don’t have any issues with Sett. He just gets kited to oblivion mid-late game anyways so he still depends on his team to help out.
Maybe the shield on his W can use a small nerf but that’s all imo.
Cant remember a game that I felt was lost cause Sett got locked in.
The boards don't think champ balance is determined by champ balance. They think it's determined by champion depth and/or how fun the kit is to play against. Lol.
Public opinion is always reactionary.
Why I think people were gushing over Sett was because he doesn't feel awful to play against initially. His kit isn't completely unfair like all of the 2019 releases. Sylas, Yuumi, Qiyana, Senna, and Aphelios all have kits that remove their class weakness entirely or they're over compensated in other areas that their weakness doesn't even matter anymore. The problem with Sett seems to be more of a numbers issue rather than a design flaw.
Another reason he was so popular at the start was because it must have felt good to wipe the floor with Mordekaiser and Darius. For better or worse, he does break the meta top lane.
On paper hes actually a pretty balanced juggernaut.
Once the Haymaker nerf goes through I'm sure he'll be not as ridiculous
he is unbalanced. Even IF you manage to beat him/ go even with him in lane, he will just out run you towards mid or bot and kill mid/jungler. He just feels annoying to play against cause even IF you win, you still lose. The only time I have seen Sett lose is when the game is just a stomp, so he doesnt have a chance to really do anything. If the game is even tho, and he isnt on your team, you most likely lose with how imbalanced he is.
