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AP Evelynn vs. AD Evelynn

Widder88·3/30/2015, 2:16:19 PM·2 votes·4,483 views

While other people complain about changes made to Evelynn, i want to talk a bit about Evelynn's build possibilities, because i think bad builds are a important reason for Evelynns low win rate.

Evelynn's scalings: AA: 54-113 base damage, 100% Bonus-AD, 5% AP (Arcane Blade) Q: 30-90 magic base damage, 70% Bonus-AD, 55% AP E: 70-230 physical base damage, 100% Bonus-AD, procs on hit effects twice, 110% AP (100%+2xArcane Blade) R: 15%-25% current health magic base damage, 1% current health per 100 AP

What these scalings mean, is that AP Evelynn does more damage with Q and E, while AD Evelynn does more damage with her AAs. First reason why AP Evelynn is better than AD Evelynn: An ability reliant playstyle is better than an autoattack reliant playstyle for the following reasons:

  • Evelynn can move while using Q, but can't move while autoattacking
  • Q has more range than autoattacks
  • Q does AoE, while autoattacks are single-target
  • Having more burst on E is very beneficial for a stealth assasin

AD Evelynn is better against unmovable single targets like Gromp for example, but AP Evelynn has more easy and reliable damage against good opponents.

And there is a seconds reason, why AP Evelynn is better than AD Evelynn: AD itemisation sucks for Evelynn.

  • Armor penetration items are bad for Evelynn, because Q and R do magic damage
  • Attack speed and crit. items are bad for Evelynn because an even more AA reliant playstyle is even worse
  • What AD Evelynn would like is an item which increases AD like Rabadons, but nothing like this exists
  • The build path of Botrk and Scimitar sucks
  • There is no 20% CDR AD Item
  • There no AD-Armor item, and GA provides no offense unlike Zhonyas.
  • AD Items doesn't scale well into late game in comparison (Triforce vs. Lich bane for example)

What can AD Evelynn buy after Warrior? E does great damage with Botrk, but E does even more damage with Magus+Rabadons. And as long as BotrK isn't finished, the components are really bad in comparison. For 2460 Gold AP Evelynn can have 120 AP, while AD Evelynn sits on 25 AD and 30% AS. When Botrk is finished, Evelynn wants still more damage but also some defense, especially if she needs to do AAs. But while AP Evelynn can buy a Zhonyas Hourglas, which provides another 156 AP, 50 Armor and a great defense active, AD Evelynn has nothing like this. In order to compete with AP Evelynn's damage she would need Triforce, which costs more than a Zhonyas, provides less defense and still less damage. Afterwards she needs to buy defensive items, because she is AA-reliant, has no defense yet and armor penetration is a bad option. But Frozen Heart provides no health, Randuins Omen provides no CDR and GA provides no AD. And while Botrk and Triforce has bad late game scaling, AP Evelynn scales very well into late game with Rabadons, Lich bane and Nashors Tooth, what can replace Magus as last item.

At the moment i think the follwing builds are the best for AP and AD, but the AP build is way stronger:

  • Magus, CDR shoes, Rabadons, Zhonyas, Lich bane, Abysall, Nashors Tooth replacing Magus
  • Warrior, Botrk, Mercurys, Frozen Heart, Triforce, Banshees

20 Comments

GroundRuleDouble3/30/2015, 2:27:33 PM2 votes

Calculate DPS based on AA's and Q's vs just Q's to tell the whole story of AP and AD Eve. I've played both, and I've found AD Eve to be far superior right now.

Droogzy3/30/2015, 3:14:38 PM1 votes

I think what he meant is that you are not taking into account that you can use Q WHILE auto attacking, something that's incredibly important to note. Not only that, I don't see anywhere you accounting for E's AS boost, that coupled with on hit effects being able to be procced by E, such as BOTRK makes her AA incredibly powerful and extremely fast by the time mid game comes around.

AA-EE-AA means you essentiall proc four BOTRK passives in about a second and a half, that's A LOT of upfront damage. And the kicker? Her AS becomes 2.0+ for 3 seconds, meaning you can get another 4 AA off depending on good you are at comboing her E with BOTRK active, so even after that, she's not done yet.

Couple that with a potential tri-force, you're looking at a very scary burst from Evelynn. In the Tri-force v.s. Lichbane argument, you get a tri-force for better sticking power, not necessarily for the sheen benefit, Evelynn is labelled an assassin, but she does not have the 100-0 power to do that, as such, she needs to be able to stick to targets for the duration. The sheen is just a pretty damn sweet bonus on top of the phage's sticking power.

Her AD itemization is really not that bad, the only thing she needs is a BOTRK and a tri-force. The BOTRK doesn't necessarily needs to be rushed, she can get cutlass first, then build into triforce + first defensive item, the BOTRK is only effective mid to late game, by that time, a successful Evelynn should be rolling in the cash like crazy since her camp clear is insane by that time.

I have always felt Evelynn has never had a weak point, her early clears can be mitigated by leaving the Red and Blue up, taking all four small camps starting with Krugs, then moving into a gank before backing, then coming back for blue+red, she transitions nicely from assassin in the laning phase into tank late game.

I don't know the answer to whether or not AD is stronger, but it would be interesting to know the DoT of AD with Q and E v.s. AP with Q and E, I think it might be far more closer then you are making out to be. Based on the numbers you have here, you're leaving out A LOT of information from the AD build of Evelynn.

And honestly? WIthout looking at the numbers, I would have to flat out disagree with you, I think AD Evelynn is better, take into account her AS steroid on her E, the fact she can proc sheen so fast, the fact she can proc four BOTRK in around a second flat, quick and often, and with her E steroid active, she keeps hitting that passive twice a second, and all the while auto attacking.

In addition to that, better sticking power than if you were to get a Lichbane v.s. a Tri-force. If you pop your W, don't get the reset, you're screwed without the phage, the travel time of Hate Spikes is so slow, you can literally outrun it depending on your MS in relation to the enemy's champion's MS. Though I have heard the recent W changes have made it worst, which only emphasizes Evelynn's need for sticking power.

I just don't see an AP evelynn keeping out with that form of damage output, not only that, she becomes incredibly easy to kite now without the phage and BOTRK active, as I said, you're Q isn't going to reach your target if they start running in the direction away from you, I digress I could be wrong, but that's just my opinion.

Evelynn isn't in the greatest spot, but she's not as bad as people make her out to be, the problem lies with the fact that she is labelled an assassin with zero assassin play outside her passive. So people attempt to play her as an assassin when she's really more of a bruiser/tank, if you play her in that fashion, you will do fantastic with her.

Assassin wise though? it leaves a lot to be desired, personally, that's my theory for why her win-rate is so low because she's easily one of my best champions. Second to Rammus perhaps.

Drunk Rummate3/30/2015, 4:05:15 PM1 votes

I go magus + triforce -> tanky. no reason to build more AP imo. full AP eve is just way too squish and she doesnt have enough burst to really kill any carry before she gets deleted herself.

Support Evelynn3/30/2015, 6:56:50 PM1 votes

AD is a sustained damage bruiser and AP has potential for literally instabursting people. Neither build is wrong just circumstantial.

lolipopevelynn3/30/2015, 10:53:48 PM1 votes

AD eve is better if you rush a hydra. AP eve just isnt viable anymore. she cant stick to targets anymore at all. it was bad enough with her nerfed Q missle speed, and now that they removed her W stacks its almost impossible.

you HAVE to play her like a AD brusier. she cant go AP anymore or you will just struggle.

the main reason people think AD eve is worse than AP eve is because they build AD eve wrong. hydra is a trash item on her, stop buying it. if you are going the brusier route the core items you need on her is a hydra and tri, and rest situation tank items. if you are going full AD assassin you STILL NEED A HYDRA. DO NOT GET BORK PERIOD. replace bork with a BT.

in any case hydra is a core item on eve for me. it just does so much in terms of jg clears, split pushing, and teamfighting. bork does nothing.