"You're stuck in a division because you belong there"
....Am I the only one who thinks that this is absolute bullshit because of the simple fact that it's a "team" game?
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It certainly is. Unlike in other team games like FPS' and brawlers, it isn't entirely skill-based. No matter how good you are, if one of your lanes feeds and the enemy team is as good as you, or even worse, they just don't make many mistakes, it can still be incredibly hard to win because stats and gold mean so damn much in this game. Honestly, I don't get why everyone takes it so damn serious. It's team-based, but everyone's acts like it's prestige in CoD. Now I will say you can easily carry your team if you landslide your lane, but even if you're the better player in your lane, that doesn't necessarily mean you'll carry. So many factors to account for there is no certainty. I've seen all kinds of scenarios. Then there're the damn afk's and trolls. I've seen victories happen, but it's really damn hard. If they hit you with a split push, it hurts when you're a man down.
So yeah, screw what everyone else says. It's a team game (even though half the community don't know it) you're probably fine. In terms of where you actually belong, play some customs with higher level players a bit. You'll get a general idea after awhile. I've smoked golds before, but I've also been stomped by silvers. I did pretty well against a plat once, was also demolished by a diamond smurf when I first started out, not a good gauge, but I remember how well he played and recognize what he was doing now. I'd guess I'm somewhere in low gold in terms to player ability, but I mean, based on what I just said, does it even matter? It's a team game. Amazing players can be stuck in low tiers with some bad luck and awful players can end up in high tiers with good luck. Consistency is important, but that doesn't necessarily mean you'll progress. It's just logic, really.
tldr; don't overthink it. It's a team game, don't worry about it. You are a factor in the outcome, nothing more.
Yes.
You can be stuck somewhere for up to a month based on how much you play, but not for a whole season. Matchmaking can't screw you forever.
Well it depends on why it is said to you, obviously, if you honestly, aren't performing up to par with others, then there is reason you are not progressing forward, but if this is being told to you, from a position of you doing well, and your team holding you down, then is does not apply. Regardless of this being a team game, the only way that would apply truly, is if your playing ranked 5's seeing as in soloq its is technically up to you to do well, and outperform your enemy laner, seeing as you never know if the person on your team is good or not.
TL;DR If you perform well or better than others in soloq, but your team does not, this term does not apply, if you perform poorly every game, it does, this game is not truly a team game, unless your playing ranked 5's 
Ranked is pretty frustrating at times.
Yet you never see challenger tier players saying they can't get out of "elo hell"
It's dependent on a lot of variables, but ultimately the majority of people do belong in a division they're "stuck in", or only have the skills of someone slightly higher in the tier. While a handful of unlucky souls are trapped far below their tier, you are most likely not one of them.
Most likely.
this is a team game
and soloq places you based on how much can you compete to a team
if you play medicore you wont get to diamond... if you ask why? its just because in diamond team with diamond opponents you would compete less thus lose more games
A ranking system that is used for chess applied to a team game. What could possibly go wrong...
Yeah, you belong there.
like 99% you are at least part of the reason you are in the division you are in. most higher player could watch your games or look at your stats and tell you specifically why you are in the division you are in. If you can't move up it is because you can't do enough to give your team the bigger edge and win.
If you can consistently outperform other players in your role then you will advance. Not just beat them in lane, or gank better, but you must learn to work together with strangers in your division, since it's a team game. You can be stuck somewhere for weeks, you can go on tilt or on a losing streak, but in the long run you will get enemies who are on tilt and you will get lucky winning streaks. If you are better than the people you play with and against you will win games you statistically would have lost.
I thought bout it, asked around and concluded it has SOME... some truth to it all the scenarios you are in that may lead you to beleive you probably dont belong in this tier... your teams holding u back etc.
YOU are doing well, stomping rlly but ur team isnt and feeding... half the time yes this wasnt your fault, the other half... well part of winning games is helping ythe idiots on your team... did u even try to use your advantage ? or YOU are doing.. meh.. you arent losing but the rest of your team is.... well the truth is, not losing does no equate to winning, seeing as how u arent winning or losing.. you belong in this tier
Ever consider for a moment that it's true? Harsh truth is harsh.
Yes, I agree with you. It may be a team game, but with 4 other people you don't know it turns into who carries and who doesn't. I get frustrated with the lack of synergy and teamwork until I realize these are just strangers. Unfortunately, strangers won't listen if you ask for more wards, or to group, at least not low tier. I don't think I should be higher than maybe gold 1 or 2, but I definitely don't think I'm silver. Base your actions with your teammates, and you'll get a feel for where you should be. If you're the only one warding and never getting caught out every game, you're not the problem.
No there are tons of people in denial about their skill level not just you. Every complication of having 4 other players on your team is experienced by every single person playing the game. Other people still get higher rank than you in soloQ. Therefore, you are the reason you are where you are.
This mindset is hilarious and is propagated by people who either A) don't remember when they feed the heck out of their opponents, and B) do not know how to win after lane phase.
Lane does not equal game folks. If you win lane and your allies feed, you are now even and it's on you to carry and win. If you're really better than your tier, then you will have a >50% win rate and you will climb, simple as that. I play pretty much only support and jungle. You look at my ranked match history, you'd see games where I got 5 kills and 10 assists in the early game and lost. I played five series to get into gold, and got screwed four times by matchmaker, easily. 20 games. But I was better than the enemy support more than half the time, so I knew eventually it would work out, and it did. Simple as that-if you keep trying and you really are better than where you are, it will work out. If you play 1000 games and haven't budged a division, you're not going to now.
I'm in a "division" because I didn't put in the effort to get out of it. Seriously, how hard is it to get out of Bronze 5?
Nope. Lots of people think this. But you all are wrong.
Are you sure:
- Placements: 7 games with a afk (2x dubble afks full game, 3x one afk full game, 1x one afk early game), I won 5 of these games.
- Games after this their was a afk in 85% of the games (this varries between short and full game afks).
To give a extreem example last ranked game I played with my 2th worse role and whe won a 4v5. I gained 45 LP from it. This is how extreem afk's effect the system.
Here's my take on it. If you don't play ranked avidly, and you only soloQ, and never try to learn anything from your games, chances are good you belong where you are until you can learn more. The probability of it being all your teams sucking is pretty low in the grand scheme of things.
In the past two weeks I've helped friends hit their goals in ranked through harsh but factual criticism, and in one case Duo'ing and "ordering" him around since his problem is he's never in the right places ever.
Five hit gold for the first time. One hit Diamond for the first time
People belong where they are until they improve. Sometimes improving requires another, sometimes it's just a proper mindset.
I suck mechanically, and won't make Diamond without duo'ing with a strong mechanical player, or playing hundreds of games more than I'd prefer to. I'm fine with being Plat I. No shame or regret.
If you THINK you belong in a division higher than you are now, play the games. It might take 300, 400, 500. But you will end where you belong. The amount of intentional feeders, d/c's, afk's, or games that are unwinnable from load in is less than 1% of the games I've played in the past 5 years.
However, remember that the goal of ranked is to give you good quality matches where you can fight opponents of equal skill as often as possible. Maybe you get a rush being 25-0-2 and stomping people who are worse than Intermediate bots, or are a masochist who likes going 0-12-1 vs Challenger players, neither of those are good matches for either team.
Okay I'm only going to say this once, so pay attention.
The Law of Large Numbers states that as trials increase, real values approach the probability.
So as you play more games, you're more and more likely to end up in the division you deserve based on your personal skill.
In League your team matters, but probability is on your side when you climb because there are 4 random factors on your team and 5 random factors on the other team, and the probability of a "bad" player is equal for each slot regardless of your MMR.
.. Didn't mean to spark any flame if I did. I do apologize. Just didn't like the quote was all ><
It's luck really, I suck at hearthstone but hearthstone is 1v1 so I know If I lose its Cus I'm bad
On league though I got 4 other dumb idiots who might feed or troll or throw the game