The jungle changes weren't good

NumberOneBaller·12/10/2019, 1:04:10 AM·80 votes·19,163 views

All it really did was give a massive advantage to champions that can clear quick and have strong ganks. This fact is becoming more and more evident the more I play. It's almost like you made this new jng for LeeSin while trashing the remaining 80% jungle rooster.

66 Comments

boricCentaur112/10/2019, 1:31:57 AM26 votes

Lets be realistic the majority of the jg changes from season 7 onwards weren't good. I really do understand how riot hasn't revert jg back to something similar to season 5 or 6 where you know the jg was pretty stable especially in season 6.

This isn't me being nostalgic this is me being like o jg felt better and was change MUCH less. Like I swear xp in the jg gets changed so much.

Ikeinator12/10/2019, 6:30:09 AM20 votes

The worst change is this new dragon system. It is the dumbest system because it makes all champions that cannot take dragons very quickly worthless.

NuggetMilk12/10/2019, 8:33:13 AM15 votes

The jungle changes weren't good

Aren't*. We're still suffering.

Tokishi712/10/2019, 8:48:41 AM7 votes

Jungle is a complex role, in the past, the laners could abuse the jungle and get the early level resets off for the side camps while getting a lane advantage for themselves. The jungler could still hit 3 easy and gank early. This was a norm in high elo and players could get screwed over in lower because of it. I do enjoy the new dragon changes, but hate them because incompetent players who are kill focused don't understand objective power. I enjoy that good junglers can show off again against the other jungler, but dislike how if you have incompetent laners, you have 5 people in your jungle and you're behind forever now. At the same time, I think it's annoying that being 4/0 early game on your laner doesn't exactly mean you'll be a higher level even with even CS. I think the lanes themselves are handicapped too much while the jungler is put on hardcore mode. I have only made it to one game with the elder dragon so far and it allowed us to make a comeback, though it likely would have proved the same with the old elder to be honest.

I wish that dragon timers would get pushed back maybe a minute or 30 seconds in between to give the losing team a little bit more breathing room, but at the same time, this usually is due to incompetent players not pressing tab and looking at the timers that were implemented years ago that everyone thought would be OP because you don't have to personally track it now, it's as they say, easy times make lazy people. Anyone can still dragon early, the issue is, people are much more likely to collapse on you these days it feels as they often check for scuttle as its extremely vital to contest.

Slitorous12/10/2019, 3:41:59 PM4 votes

JG got HUGE exp and gold nerfs. Duo lane got nerfs anf solo lanes got buffs. Now we have solo laners running around at 4 levels higher than bot lane as well as 4 levels higher than any JG that cannot quick clear camps...

You are 100% right then need to NERF SOLO LANES so that we can play ALL JG camps again, because only a handful are any good now...

FrancisMuni12/10/2019, 9:30:48 AM4 votes

Even though the changes themselves weren't good, the removal of the catch up xp opens the path to buffing camps xp and gold because now you aren't going to be able to be at the same level than the enemy jungler while camping lanes; especially with the nerf to shared xp.

Now the door is open to the perfect balance state present in S4/5/6. What needs to be done is:

  • Make camp respawn times a bit shorter.
  • Make camps worth more gold and xp, at least to the point you can be 1 level behind the solo laners while having a bit of presence.
  • Make camps A LOT harder to kill so failing an early gank and ending in low hp actually means you're fucked and you have to back.
IVSakenz12/10/2019, 2:57:57 PM4 votes

The worst thing about jungle now is that a single mistake early can keep the jungler from being effective in anyway the rest of the game..

and it most likely will not even be a mistake by the jungler themselves..

example: start blue and bot does not ward/cover red for you, opposing jungler invades and clears that half of your jungle.. or you go in for an early gank and get no help from the lane and either fail or die yourself..

your now behind with no way to catch up..and you start getting flamed from your bot lane because they are pushing all the way to tower at level 3 and repeatably ganked by a shaco because they have no idea how to properly position themselves to defend it.

It is nothing you did.. your teammates just do not know how to help or use the jungler or even just protect themselves from an early ganker.

pIlIThomas12/10/2019, 10:10:20 PM4 votes

Its not just that. Its also the fact that the solo laners can control your jungle, and in mid to low elo, there is ZERO counterplay.

Example: played ranked game p4, top darius shoving his wave and invading my topside entire game (level 3 on), mid shoving and invading botside jungle. Mid and top can't get any prio. So even with wards, doesn't matter, they aren't rotating (they probably just don't know what to do). Enemy jungler just full clears and grabs drakes/rifts GG. BTW, Im not dieing, im just not getting any XP or gold. They have flashes/ults/ghosts/ignites. 0-0-2, 3 levels under enemy solo laners. game is over for me I cant even get level 6 or an item. VERY UNFUN, VERY TOXIC.

Admeia12/10/2019, 11:21:37 AM3 votes

Man I just don't want these plants still in my game, that's it, I can live with the rest but... the plants.. just... [sg-janna] Why the plants still exist to this day I'll never know

5050BS12/10/2019, 3:43:17 PM3 votes

when I get autofilled I get jungle.

I win a lot of these games playing Mordekaiser junlge

Dragon and RH are 1000% more important then ganking. Make sure our laners know to play accordingly if they cant setup a gank well.

Thunderneedle12/10/2019, 5:23:36 PM3 votes

It's weird. With current jungle it is very easy to have higher cs and gold than the sololaners but less levels.

So you are up 1000gold and down 2 levels. And it becomes very good for cancer champs like Master yi.

BlackXIV12/11/2019, 12:40:34 AM3 votes

Jungle now is a support on a timer, he gets the game going in the first 10 minutes then watches if the laners can work with the little impact he's had so far while he gradually turns into a minion with no utility.

I used to suck at the game but was still able to carry on a killing spree, now it doesn't matter if I play a perfect game I still end up even with a losing solo laner AT BEST.

I play bot sometimes, I lose lane, I farm a bit and I win the game almost by myself. Mid can just 1v9 if his opponent fucks up the matchup.

How does it make any sense? #boycottjungle

Hvsao12/10/2019, 3:38:36 PM3 votes

Honestly they made jungle more difficult and indirectly buffed anyone who has clear speed.

The following champions were good before, but now they are mandatory for solo queue: Warwick Nunu Olaf MasterYi LeeSin Udyr These champions clear the jungle fast enough and healthy enough to gank and continue to farm. Their is lack of diversity as many of these champions are just hit fast and sustain.

In this current jungle meta, you get punished for trying to take the advantage in the early game through ganks because of nerfed exp, and furthermore you get punished in the late game for letting scaling junglers out farm you.

Slitorous12/10/2019, 10:26:47 PM2 votes

All we need to do is NERF SOLO LANES and the game will be balanced

JVee312/10/2019, 5:00:42 PM2 votes

Can anyone tell me why jungle is always being nerfed? I made a thread the other day asking this and some commenters tried to convince me it was a buff. Mind you, these commenters are not jungle mains. I just hate how they are saying, jungle was buffed like dude, IT'S NERFS!! I don't feel like learning how to play nunu, lee, warwick, uryd, or any of those speed clearing champs. Oh yeah, I was farming in the jungle a while back, had same cs and sometimes a bit more cs than my mid and I was still 2 levels behind LOL. Ok, riot why am I still playing jungle?? Question of the day

Crescent Dusk12/11/2019, 1:17:56 AM1 votes

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All it really did was give a massive advantage to champions that can clear quick and have strong ganks. This fact is becoming more and more evident the more I play. It's almost like you made this new jng for LeeSin while trashing the remaining 80% jungle rooster.

Saw a VOD where Lee is clearing more quickly and healthy than my Nunu is despite Lee being a massively higher damage and mobility champ.

Can anyone explain to me why Lee Sin is as durable as he is, or assassin junglers and bruisers for that matter?

An Ekko by lv3+ is running my tank Nunu out of jungle camps because he can clear healthy and despite my resistance items outsustain me and kill me. As an assassin vs. tank.

What the hell.

Slitorous12/11/2019, 8:39:40 PM1 votes

Just NERF SOLO LANES and the game will be perfectly balanced