Why Is Liandry's Torment a Must- Buy on DoT champions?

Chimpyy·10/19/2014, 3:28:21 PM·2 votes·1,915 views

Everyone always says to buy item 3151 on champs like Rumble , Malzahar , and Brand . Why is this a much better item to buy on them? ( never quite understood it)

9 Comments

Earl Eulrich10/19/2014, 3:54:26 PM5 votes

It´s not. Liandrys is heavily overrated, especially as an early buy - it´s the least cost efficient upgrade in the game actually. Most of these Champs are faar better off by just buying lots of AP, as all the Dots have insane ratios on them.

ceaselessphantom10/19/2014, 5:03:09 PM2 votes

Liandry on Malzahar is greatly over rated. Brand not so much I would imagine since he does a lot of area dot damage. The same goes for Anivia except she is technically continuous. This would also apply to Annie but whether it is worth it on her is debatable.

Ap Kog'Maw can also get it because his ult can do a lot of poke with it along with his ult's low scaling making the pen fairly good. There is Zyra who can use her plants to poke which do not do a lot of quick damage but will continuously reapply it. Furthermore they are using it to poke which means it is done when current health damage would be the most useful.

For Malzahar yeah. He can not poke with it and can only apply it to one target for a decent duration. Furthermore that one target will be bursted anyways since his e is short range and Malzahar is great at tank busting.

Edit To clarify Tibber's aura applies Liandry.

Sire Hippington10/19/2014, 3:55:49 PM2 votes

cause they don'T understand that the %-CURRENThealth dmg is rather bad early on and even later only works well for poke or vs hp-stacking tanks. In most cases, simply getting more ap+mpen is much better. Getting item 3151 synergiese well with dot, but bad with burst(Brand Malzahar ) and is in any situation a bad item to rush, usually u would get item 3136 early for the pen and upgrade it as 5th or 6th item.

Ch0c0lateJesus10/19/2014, 3:39:47 PM1 votes

Each DoT tick resets the item 3151 passive. It essentially adds % damage to any DoT.

Malz withitem 3151 and item 3116 pretty much melts everything.

Z Statistic10/19/2014, 3:33:30 PM1 votes

In lieu of...? Liandry's is coupled with Rylai's for awesome dps, but it really doesn't explode until you get VS with near 100% MPen.

% health scales well into late game, and the DoT nature makes it perfect for dps and wearing down the enemy, which all 3 of those examples do naturally.

That said, it's not exactly that good on all poke champions like Nid or Lux as they don't benefit from the health as much (while those 3 guys do.)

EndlessSorcerer10/19/2014, 4:04:51 PM1 votes

I believe it is because they have high base damages (so the flat pen is useful), have to be close to fights to use their abilities (the health), and have abilities which will refresh the Liandry's DoT (flamespitter, malefic visions, brand passive). Additionally, those three champions have CC innate in their kit which improves the DoT damage.

It shouldn't necessarily be a rush item every game, but I do like to get it relatively early (second or third item) against tanky team.

Nhifu10/19/2014, 4:06:38 PM1 votes

It gives alot of HP if you combine it with relais.

Then you grab hourglass and you are pretty dang hard to take down.

Sorc boots + Liandries just makes you do so much more damage with the pokes

Kuroi8610/19/2014, 4:38:59 PM1 votes

It's not a good early buy, Haunting Guise is. item 3136

Liandry's Torment item 3151 only really becomes good in the late game when tanks have lots of HP for it's passive to burn through.

Haunting Guise is often bought early on by dot champs due to the flat magpen that it grants being especially good for getting off your full damage early game.

jjookkeerr10/19/2014, 3:52:28 PM1 votes

item 3151 isnt must buy on Malzahar , his ap ratios are one of the highest of this game, i'm sure that if you buy an item that give more ap than item 3151 will increase his damage way more than item 3151 passive, that item is must buy on champions that has high base, low scaling(like Brand Elise Velkoz ), ap bruisers and poke supports.