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Warwick ult? Booooring

PentaSho·12/3/2014, 4:22:40 PM·2 votes·1,806 views

I think we can all agree that WW ult is a tad strong right now with the new jungle items (devourer). Instead of nerfing devourer (it probably needs it) or straight up nerfing WW ult (dat poor dmg) why not take the opportunity to slightly rework WW ult?

Honestly, WW ult is so boring both to use and to suffer through. Aside from targeting the correct enemy with it there is 0 skill involved in the process. If you don't get a qss or take cleanse, getting ulted is in turn one of those "throw your hands in the air" moments

Let's keep the damage, keep the life steal, but turn his ult into a fairly long(er) range targeted area attack. WW leaps through the air (like Tristana, not pantheon) and lands in the targeted area. Enemy champions in a small circle are cc'd, while nearby enemy champions are knocked back from the center. Let's make his ult scary but at least a little avoidable, yeah?

Post your suggestions! Sorry for any errors posted from my phone.

39 Comments

Mahnigguh12/3/2014, 4:44:11 PM3 votes

i think WW needs a rework but it has nothing to do with his new status as jungle king...he just doesn't feel like a werewolf to me. Relevant because he is kinda boring and i think he lacks the intensity his champ should have.

Drunk Rummate12/3/2014, 4:34:42 PM2 votes

Warwick flash ulted me and I didn't have a QSS!

ayy lmao

but at least it was a difficult skillshot for him to land

ayy lmao

but at least his ult has a long cooldown

ayy lmao

Gentleman Gems12/3/2014, 4:35:17 PM2 votes

I think we can all agree that WW ult is a tad strong right now with the new jungle items (devourer). Instead of nerfing devourer (it probably needs it) or straight up nerfing WW ult (dat poor dmg) why not take the opportunity to slightly rework WW ult?

Honestly, WW ult is so boring both to use and to suffer through. Aside from targeting the correct enemy with it there is 0 skill involved in the process. If you don't get a qss or take cleanse, getting ulted is in turn one of those "throw your hands in the air" moments

Let's keep the damage, keep the life steal, but turn his ult into a fairly long(er) range targeted area attack. WW leaps through the air (like Tristana, not pantheon) and lands in the targeted area. Enemy champions in a small circle are cc'd, while nearby enemy champions are knocked back from the center. Let's make his ult scary but at least a little avoidable, yeah?

Post your suggestions! Sorry for any errors posted from my phone.

First of all, do not use area of effect to cc and damage them with Warwicks current ult, that would make it worse as he could easly make a double kill just by ulting, maybe if it didn't target multiple champions in the small circle but prioratized the one easyest to kill (based on there health and armor) than that may work. then to make it easier to dodge have a delay so people know that it's coming (Add a feral howl then for effect).

Yuumidiocre12/3/2014, 4:37:29 PM2 votes

WW's ult truly is boring. although i do like the current workings of it adding more would be cool like... yea making it scary... but im thinking like.. ok like how Sion and Nocturne have their noises make like a growl or a creepy howl when he ults and slowing the champs surrounding the area of the targeted champ.

Bears Dont Care12/3/2014, 4:32:44 PM2 votes

It was one of the ideas for his rework back in April. He'd charge in, slam down and the first target is stunned while the rest receive minor slow/CC effect on them.

Unfortunately it was pushed back, and I doubt it will be seen until 2015 or 2016, given the rework schedule. Seriously, tristana is a greater priority for a rework to them over Warwick who sees absolutely no play.

NicoNicoREEEEEE12/3/2014, 4:47:38 PM2 votes

WW ult isn't necessarily OP in and of itself. Its the bonus true damage on-hit that gets proc'd 5 times that's OP. On-hit WW has always been gimicky, but still somewhat possible to deal with. The problem of devourer/Challenging smite/wits end/botrk is that they all deal magic damage, and with wits end the synergy is stupid. His ult shouldn't be able to 100-0 an ADC or Mid even if he has only 3 damage items and 2 tank items (FH and SV for example). Devourer is going to need to be reworked or toned down in my opinion. It scales twice as fast as Feral through ganks and it isn't unrealistic to reach over a hundred stacks in a 40 min game.

Onegarion12/3/2014, 6:16:29 PM2 votes

If it were up to me to change his ult I would start by moving his W passive to his ult still as a passive. The blood scent passive wouldn't activate unless WW activates his ult first which reveals the lowest health opponent under X% health, but only 1 person. By making it happen to only 1 person it gives some counterplay so that WW doesn't know if the target is alone or in their team. Making him know where they are, but not if its safe to engage.

His ult would be rather similar to as it is now, but it is changed to a skill shot. When used it has a range of 700 (what it is now), but is amplified to 1000 if the target is marked by blood scent. It only affects champions and when landed WW suppresses the target. The visual of what it would look like is how Rengar takes out Draven in the New Dawn video Riot put out. Also WW can cancel channeling it at any time if he screws up. I would increase the Life steal on it so that players are compensated for it being a skill shot.

Drunk Rummate12/3/2014, 4:52:08 PM1 votes

That feel when warwick builds skirmisher + cleaver + wits + bork and he 1 shots your full tank sion with his ultimate.

CoolKnightST12/4/2014, 5:38:10 PM1 votes

They are nerfing Warwick to the ground next patch. I expect nobody will play him.

Colgate Gator12/3/2014, 6:24:05 PM1 votes

It's no his ult that needs a rework, but his whole kit.

Truth to be told, WW is boring as fuck, no matter if he's OP or UP in the current meta.

His abilities are: point-click lifesteal, if there's an enemy with X% of HP you run faster, you attack faster, you point-click an enemy with your ult to hit them and hold them still.

Crede77712/3/2014, 8:03:34 PM1 votes

If you don't get a qss or take cleanse, getting ulted is in turn one of those "throw your hands in the air" moments.

I can tell you that trying to Cleanse WW's ult WILL lead to one of those "throw your hands in the air" moments.

Because Cleanse doesn't work against Suppressions. Only QSS does.

The more you know.

HadesHellfire12/3/2014, 4:40:48 PM1 votes

I think ww just needs nerfed altogether. The problem is that he is a super tank with a kit that give him a very high DPS, and gives him constant sustain. tanks should be someone with utility that can engage and help in a fight, but shouldn't be able to put out more damage than anyone on both teams.

the problem with a tank having a high DPS is this. take Yi for example, has a high DPS, but if you cc him, hes squishy so you can kill him. But since ww is a tank, when the cc is done, he will still be alive and can recover with all his sustain. plus he's ultra mobile with his blood scent. i think they should change his passive, maybe dull down his attack speed bonus a bit, and maybe (but not very necessary) dull down his movement speed bonus. Then maybe take away on hit effects on his ult or make it where he only get 50% of the bonus lifesteal would give him.

or they could just straight up rework him like they did Sion :P

Kuroi8612/3/2014, 9:18:34 PM1 votes

Riot has had him on the list for reworks for a long time. They just need to get a full kit on paper so they can push forward.