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Why is Fizz allowed to exist the way he does? Do we need to sign a petition to nerf him?

Don Longo·11/23/2014, 4:19:58 PM·207 votes·17,634 views

Everyone I know who plays this game HATES Fizz and he pretty much ruins my experience every time I see him. Its gotten so bad that even when he's on my team it just infuriates me to lay eyes on him. He doesn't make sense. He's naturally more bulky than other casters and assassins, even though he has more mobility and invincibility, which directly influences his overall "durability" already, yet he seems to do far more damage than many other champions as well. Why are his moves doing a huge amount of damage, having low mana costs, high utility, and also almost no cooldown? His ultimate is one of the strongest and easiest to land ultimates in the game and it barely has a cooldown. Why does he reduce healing and do percent health damage? Its like they just wanted to give him every possible advantage. I just really can't and don't understand. Can someone show me some numbers to prove why he is fair and balanced when compared to other champions? I would love to see it.

The concept of balance (or so I REALLY hope) is that if someone is extremely strong in a certain category, they need to be weak in another category to balance them out. Fizz is one of the best champions in the game when it comes to every aspect of his character. That's not balance.

So, Riot has allowed Fizz to exist like this for far too long, so here's the conclusion I've reached. I'm done waiting for them to nerf him, it isn't going to happen. Maybe if we work together and sign a petition they will be more willing to change him. PLEASE just say you agree he needs changes if you feel that way. Let's draw some attention to this!

Here's the strawpoll to nerf or keep the same. Share your opinion. http://strawpoll.me/3048943

322 Comments

My IGN Sucks11/23/2014, 6:29:45 PM74 votes

I think the most meaningful nerf that he needs is a single cooldown time across all levels for his E, like they did with Janna. Late game Fizz can E every 5 seconds. That's ridiculous. Make it to where a Fizz player has to actually think about when they E instead of just being able to use it whenever.

Ad Astra per Asp11/23/2014, 5:35:02 PM32 votes

He has the same problem Kassadin used to have, you can utterly wreck him in lane and it won't matter. He'll always pick up kills without being punished for it later and be a freaking late and mid-late game terror. And if you don't wreck him in lane? Then he's an all game terror. Gj rito.

Drukyul11/23/2014, 6:02:46 PM25 votes

I can't believe some people complain about Akali instead of Fizz. If I could upgrade my trinket to counter Fizz's E, I'd be ecstatic.

Unedible11/23/2014, 6:08:06 PM17 votes

But he's "balanced" because he's melee! Good job Riot!

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metaworldpeace1011/23/2014, 8:28:59 PM12 votes

I agree 100%. Fizz and Akali players always try to talk about their bad "early" game to try and douse the flames of hatred from the community. In reality their laning phases are not that bad when compared to that MASSIVE power spike at level 6. Regardless of how well you are doing in lane, once a fizz or Akali turns level 6, they can all in you and win the lane. Both assassins are terribly designed and need some big time work of their respective kits. I would love to see his Playful/Trickster have a flat cooldown, or a reduction in damage and removal of the slow completely. There is no reason why a champion that can close a 1100 range gap should have a kit FULL of slows.

Fury and Emperor11/23/2014, 5:53:45 PM12 votes

He has a 50.15% winrate, so he's perfectly balanced.

Don Longo11/24/2014, 1:13:33 AM11 votes

Too many people are not understanding the purpose of this thread. I didn't make this thread because I'm some lazy bad player who got stomped by a Fizz and I'm mad. I'm making it because Fizz has a kit that that is unhealthy for the game. Can he be beaten? Of course. Can he be countered if you build around him? Definitely.

The point of this thread is that Fizz needs adjustments to make playing him higher risk reward and take more decision making skills, rather than jump in, do whatever you want and get out.

Dreaducate11/23/2014, 6:47:55 PM10 votes

Lol fizz isnt OP. Lets look at zed in comparison. He can dodge most spells with his ult, can teleport twice (one for a spell juke, another to get back into the fight), and has a GUARANTEED targeted ultimate that cleans late game.

OP basically wants all assassins nerfed

BTW not saying zed is more "nerf worthy". Just offering a champion whose playstyle is very similar to fizz (minus being able to ranged harrass quite well on zed)

Dark Trennow11/23/2014, 5:09:46 PM9 votes

I will sign that petition a thousand times to get the freelo fish nerfed into the ground.

Leblancs Boob11/24/2014, 1:05:00 AM8 votes

Fizz just needs a major power shift. He doesn't even need to land his ult to 100-0 just about anyone. It's annoying to think you've outplayed him by dodging his ult just to get killed in half a second to just q>e with him putting in little to no effort. Ahri was nerfed for being able to 100-0 targets with dfg>w>rrr while missing all her skillshots. Fizz should have to actually land his ult before killing his target

Norscout11/23/2014, 4:49:12 PM8 votes

Signed

Aurora Donn11/23/2014, 6:51:05 PM7 votes

Agreed. Fizz is OP and has everything and a bag of chips going for him.

Nerf pls. He's pretty much either pick or ban right now in some elos.

God is AFK11/23/2014, 4:40:33 PM6 votes

He really is a pain in the ass to fight.

Sira Ren11/23/2014, 4:43:45 PM5 votes

Should create a poll with Yes and No for Fizz nerf so people can share their opinion in a matter of seconds.

Afk Teemo Ward11/24/2014, 1:08:48 PM4 votes

I personally feel like the only change that they should make to Fizz is that his Troll poll shouldn't be able to dodge "Point clicks" meaning abilities like annie's q, taric stun, stuff of that nature. They should however retain the fact that he can dodge skill shots with it. The reasoning behind this is flash, jumps, heck, even teleport, does NOT dodge these things.

After all, if you can jump halfway across the map with teleport, and still get killed by annie's q at that distance, why can moving 1 extra foot vertically on a pole protect you?

Also, this would open up a lot more counter play, seeing as how it would then be a coordinated "okay annie, use your q to stun fizz, then we're having a fish fry."

Hyrum Graff11/23/2014, 6:07:09 PM4 votes

Signed.

Hyrum Graff11/23/2014, 6:17:14 PM4 votes

No, that means LeBlanc needs a rework. Perhaps Fizz needs a rework, because most people play this game to kill people and Fizz is really good at killing people.

Not a full-on rework, just the removal of her silence. Likewise, I think fizz is fine with everything except his E. Troll pole just isn't fun to play against.

But he does not need a nerf because he's not overpowered.

Rather agreed. Like, how when they took the silence out of LB's kit, they gave her some small compensation buffs to her passive and w.

Direwolfiez11/24/2014, 6:06:59 AM3 votes

Vieg can delete any champ with at least 150 ap in the game with his ult

Yasuo and Fizz can block it with Wind Wall and Playful Trickster, respectively. If they're good, they'll save those skills for teamfights and bait the ult out. I've played Veig against Fizz before, it was absolutely horrible. Ever been dived as a Veig? You don't last long unless you're under your turret and you can land your stun before you get 100-0'd.

Celeste Benal11/24/2014, 9:43:38 PM3 votes

Every Draft game I play sees mid-lane assassins banned into the ground. Fizz? Banned. Kat? Banned. Akali? Banned. Yasuo? Banned. Next is usually Morgana, followed by Blitzcrank. Every game. At least 3 of the above banned. Sometimes you see Yi or someone odd.

What is similar about those first 3 champs? They can spam either their abilities endlessly (Kat ulty reset is ungodly) or just erase champs in one go. At least Yasuo is extremely vulnerable to CC, has a glass chin, and takes a lot of skill to play well. Morg and Blitz's stuns are both skill shots.

Fizz needs a nerf. Nothing crazy. At least get rid of the invulnerability on his troll pole. If I as Yasuo throw a giant freakin' tornado at him, jumping on top of his little pole shouldn't save him. Make it into a gap-closer/escape.

Fizz Finger11/24/2014, 10:05:25 PM2 votes

AP melee. Mobility is a necessity.

Smitemuffin11/25/2014, 2:05:03 AM2 votes

Fizz absolutely needs a huge increase to his E cooldown or it needs a playability change (or both). With only the 5% CDR from the tier 1 offense mastery, he's got a long-range AoE high-damage/cc flash that grants near invulnerability every 7.5 seconds. If he maxes CDR, it's up ever 5.5. That's just...so unbelievably broken. And that's not to mention that his E mechanic OBLITERATES certain spells, like Brand's AoE ultimate. Destroyed, gone, no bounce. By an 8-second cooldown.

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Neglecting the fact that he goes hypercarry around the 4-5 item mark, of course.

Sonny199811/23/2014, 5:38:47 PM2 votes

Fizz is to be dealt with early game and is dead when cc'd or silenced for example Swain Swain is a good counter for Fizz in my opinion.

Darth Pixy Misa11/23/2014, 5:08:58 PM2 votes

Just nerf Fizz's mp to base 150 / 35 mp growth then increase all his skill costs by 10.

This will seriously effect his early game. It will force Fizz him to get a mana item, and he cant use e to help wave clear either like this.

Serrow11/24/2014, 2:53:55 AM2 votes

He's pretty much the Master Yi of the mid lane. You don't really require much skill to play him effectively, he does a metric ton of damage, and he's extremely annoying.

However, he's also slightly useless if you don't get him fed, and there is a reason he's not used in competitive play.

Fizz is annoying, I'll admit it, but he's very very easy to counter.

xGvPx11/24/2014, 4:26:17 AM2 votes

Good Fizz and bad Fizz are a different story. I can't count how many missed ults I've seen from Fizz. Most of all, he's melee. Any caster w/ CC can wreck him. He has zero poke and can be zoned easily.

Soraffeson11/24/2014, 5:08:03 PM2 votes

I've said this since day one. I've also said that Fizz needs to be removed from the game. Riot won't nerf him, Fizz is Riot's baby.item 3070