Why is Fizz allowed to exist the way he does? Do we need to sign a petition to nerf him?

I think the most meaningful nerf that he needs is a single cooldown time across all levels for his E, like they did with Janna. Late game Fizz can E every 5 seconds. That's ridiculous. Make it to where a Fizz player has to actually think about when they E instead of just being able to use it whenever.

He has the same problem Kassadin used to have, you can utterly wreck him in lane and it won't matter. He'll always pick up kills without being punished for it later and be a freaking late and mid-late game terror. And if you don't wreck him in lane? Then he's an all game terror. Gj rito.

I can't believe some people complain about Akali instead of Fizz. If I could upgrade my trinket to counter Fizz's E, I'd be ecstatic.

But he's "balanced" because he's melee! Good job Riot!

He has a 50.15% winrate, so he's perfectly balanced.

I agree 100%. Fizz and Akali players always try to talk about their bad "early" game to try and douse the flames of hatred from the community. In reality their laning phases are not that bad when compared to that MASSIVE power spike at level 6. Regardless of how well you are doing in lane, once a fizz or Akali turns level 6, they can all in you and win the lane. Both assassins are terribly designed and need some big time work of their respective kits. I would love to see his Playful/Trickster have a flat cooldown, or a reduction in damage and removal of the slow completely. There is no reason why a champion that can close a 1100 range gap should have a kit FULL of slows.

Too many people are not understanding the purpose of this thread. I didn't make this thread because I'm some lazy bad player who got stomped by a Fizz and I'm mad. I'm making it because Fizz has a kit that that is unhealthy for the game. Can he be beaten? Of course. Can he be countered if you build around him? Definitely.

The point of this thread is that Fizz needs adjustments to make playing him higher risk reward and take more decision making skills, rather than jump in, do whatever you want and get out.

Lol fizz isnt OP. Lets look at zed in comparison. He can dodge most spells with his ult, can teleport twice (one for a spell juke, another to get back into the fight), and has a GUARANTEED targeted ultimate that cleans late game.

OP basically wants all assassins nerfed

BTW not saying zed is more "nerf worthy". Just offering a champion whose playstyle is very similar to fizz (minus being able to ranged harrass quite well on zed)

I will sign that petition a thousand times to get the freelo fish nerfed into the ground.

Signed

Fizz just needs a major power shift. He doesn't even need to land his ult to 100-0 just about anyone. It's annoying to think you've outplayed him by dodging his ult just to get killed in half a second to just q>e with him putting in little to no effort. Ahri was nerfed for being able to 100-0 targets with dfg>w>rrr while missing all her skillshots. Fizz should have to actually land his ult before killing his target

Agreed. Fizz is OP and has everything and a bag of chips going for him.

Nerf pls. He's pretty much either pick or ban right now in some elos.

He really is a pain in the ass to fight.

Should create a poll with Yes and No for Fizz nerf so people can share their opinion in a matter of seconds.

Signed.

No, that means LeBlanc needs a rework. Perhaps Fizz needs a rework, because most people play this game to kill people and Fizz is really good at killing people.

Not a full-on rework, just the removal of her silence. Likewise, I think fizz is fine with everything except his E. Troll pole just isn't fun to play against.

But he does not need a nerf because he's not overpowered.

Rather agreed. Like, how when they took the silence out of LB's kit, they gave her some small compensation buffs to her passive and w.

I personally feel like the only change that they should make to Fizz is that his Troll poll shouldn't be able to dodge "Point clicks" meaning abilities like annie's q, taric stun, stuff of that nature. They should however retain the fact that he can dodge skill shots with it. The reasoning behind this is flash, jumps, heck, even teleport, does NOT dodge these things.

After all, if you can jump halfway across the map with teleport, and still get killed by annie's q at that distance, why can moving 1 extra foot vertically on a pole protect you?

Also, this would open up a lot more counter play, seeing as how it would then be a coordinated "okay annie, use your q to stun fizz, then we're having a fish fry."

Vieg can delete any champ with at least 150 ap in the game with his ult

Yasuo and Fizz can block it with Wind Wall and Playful Trickster, respectively. If they're good, they'll save those skills for teamfights and bait the ult out. I've played Veig against Fizz before, it was absolutely horrible. Ever been dived as a Veig? You don't last long unless you're under your turret and you can land your stun before you get 100-0'd.

Every Draft game I play sees mid-lane assassins banned into the ground. Fizz? Banned. Kat? Banned. Akali? Banned. Yasuo? Banned. Next is usually Morgana, followed by Blitzcrank. Every game. At least 3 of the above banned. Sometimes you see Yi or someone odd.

What is similar about those first 3 champs? They can spam either their abilities endlessly (Kat ulty reset is ungodly) or just erase champs in one go. At least Yasuo is extremely vulnerable to CC, has a glass chin, and takes a lot of skill to play well. Morg and Blitz's stuns are both skill shots.

Fizz needs a nerf. Nothing crazy. At least get rid of the invulnerability on his troll pole. If I as Yasuo throw a giant freakin' tornado at him, jumping on top of his little pole shouldn't save him. Make it into a gap-closer/escape.

Just nerf Fizz's mp to base 150 / 35 mp growth then increase all his skill costs by 10.

This will seriously effect his early game. It will force Fizz him to get a mana item, and he cant use e to help wave clear either like this.

Fizz is to be dealt with early game and is dead when cc'd or silenced for example Swain is a good counter for Fizz in my opinion.

He's pretty much the Master Yi of the mid lane. You don't really require much skill to play him effectively, he does a metric ton of damage, and he's extremely annoying.

However, he's also slightly useless if you don't get him fed, and there is a reason he's not used in competitive play.

Fizz is annoying, I'll admit it, but he's very very easy to counter.

Good Fizz and bad Fizz are a different story. I can't count how many missed ults I've seen from Fizz. Most of all, he's melee. Any caster w/ CC can wreck him. He has zero poke and can be zoned easily.

I've said this since day one. I've also said that Fizz needs to be removed from the game. Riot won't nerf him, Fizz is Riot's baby.

AP melee. Mobility is a necessity.

Fizz absolutely needs a huge increase to his E cooldown or it needs a playability change (or both). With only the 5% CDR from the tier 1 offense mastery, he's got a long-range AoE high-damage/cc flash that grants near invulnerability every 7.5 seconds. If he maxes CDR, it's up ever 5.5. That's just...so unbelievably broken. And that's not to mention that his E mechanic OBLITERATES certain spells, like Brand's AoE ultimate. Destroyed, gone, no bounce. By an 8-second cooldown.

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Neglecting the fact that he goes hypercarry around the 4-5 item mark, of course.