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Removing the bans from ARAM is the absolute last straw for me. It's a very poor decision.

Packun Flower·4/17/2019, 2:44:00 AM·81 votes·16,430 views

Look, I'm going to be totally real here.

I don't like this game. As a player who used to play the game religiously in past seasons, the state of the game has deteriorated to a point where my enjoyment factor is at an absolute minimum when it comes to League. I haven't touched an actual Rift match in a very long time, i was pushed out of Rift games because the horrible unenjoyable "Everything dies in 2 hits" meta had swept across the Rift like a plague and every game it was the same thing over and over.

So a long time ago I decided I would abandon the rift forever and move to play ARAM games only, on top of that my 10- 20+ games a day died to 1-2 games a day. However, even ARAM has its problems, a mode that is supposed to be quick and fun does suffer from some very terrible balance issues. They might not be the same balance issues that the Rift has but they ARE there.

When these new ARAM changes were announced one change that was wildly welcomed was the ban system. Bans are an important part of the game, not just for rift but for ARAM as well. bans are used to remove problematic and unfun champions from the match and I can tell you right now it was used in great success.

Veigar Jinx Pyke Urgot MasterYi Caitlyn

All of them were top bans and for good reason, there were more as well but the fact of the matter is bans actually greatly helped in removing champions that absolutely flourished on dominating the mode and that was a healthy thing. Especially with the problem that ARAM is not truly random, to begin with. You WILL see the same champions over and over, so using the ban system to remove champions that the roll system favoured also helped to spice things up as well.

What we have here is a classic case of the Developers of the game ignoring the positive feedback of the many to appease the negative feedback of the few. we have seen this many many MANY times before in the past and it is irritating to see it now affecting the only game mode I play.

The removal of bans from ARAM was the wrong move if you don't want to have bans in Aram then you have to:

A) Make ALL champions available to everyone in ARAM from the start

B) fix the roll system to stop favouring certain champions. (Deny it all you want, this DOES happen)

I am very disappointed as a player that Riot chose to make this poor decision, not everyone will agree with me, and some won't even care but as a league player whose passion for the game has dwindled down to a mere ember, this is all I can do voice my feedback.

43 Comments

MrAkairi4/17/2019, 3:19:49 AM25 votes

Honestly its the biggest change that I wish they kept! I know pregame took a bit of extra time but It was worth it. I'm selfish I want veigar gone for good. despite me hating some the changes not having to deal with him or lux made my life better. extra side note. I hate that backtrack is just gone with the wind as well.

Daddy Ants4/17/2019, 10:04:14 AM9 votes

I'm done with ARAM.

Bans was the only reason I enjoyed it so much.

I don't wanna be facing Sona, Fiddle. Ziggs, Xerath, Lux every game.

I enjoyed the mode when I could perm ban one of these cancerous champions.

PaladinNO4/17/2019, 2:00:39 PM8 votes

Posting an opinion here is a total waste of time.

Kenneky4/17/2019, 8:31:58 AM8 votes

As someone who knows how to play as Pyke he is insanely strong in ARAM. The thing is 3 of my most played champions (Jhin, Quinn and Pyke) where free to play and I get them very often in ARAM to the point that It didn't felt any random anymore. And as someone who permabans Veigar I agree, bans should had remained, I for the first time fully enjoyed ARAM without the champion I hate being part of it.

One thing I want to be removed is how often you can get the previous free to play champions, In the first week of the ARAM event I was sick of getting Thresh non stop, It's not like I don't know how to play him, just every 3rd game I get him.

Saezio4/17/2019, 2:01:21 PM8 votes

We need bans if they don't unlock all champions.

Or we need to be able to limit our own pools too.

Aram accounts will run rampant again.

Saevum4/17/2019, 5:36:59 AM5 votes

Called it 13 days ago.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/bUwqeoWz-bans-in-aram?comment=0009

Waazzaaa20004/17/2019, 8:39:41 AM4 votes

Don't think it's true that the system favours certain op champs, why would it? I think it's more likely that you get matched with people that play a lot/are good at aram because you play it so much. The better the players you get matched with, the more chance they have accounts made for aram (with Champs that excel in aram)

DeathBurst4/17/2019, 1:21:36 PM3 votes

I agree that bans were a good thing for ARAM, so don't take this comment for what it is not, but....

B) fix the roll system to stop favouring certain champions. (Deny it all you want, this DOES happen)

==> That's ridiculous... What are you imagining here? They have a list of champs they want the system to give out more often? The roll system is not favoring any champ, players are favoring certain champs. You have re-rolls, dodging, ownership rates. That's more than enough to explain discrepancies between various champs, no need to imagine some shady behavior from the roll system that Riot would deny...

OrangeMarine4/17/2019, 10:20:05 AM3 votes

yeah I can relate to some of your points. I have this sneaking suspicion that the champs they give you aren't random at all. They have little codes and bullshit setup for it. For example Varus Caitlyn Lux are basically in all of my ARAM games (until the ban phase came through), while I see Yorick Diana Nunu rarely, maybe every 10 games.

and then the main indicator that shit is not random at all is this...

I get Azir , a champ i've never played once. I did incredibly well, like 15-3 or something, hard carried while the rest of my team was super heavy..........

next game, oh wow I got given Azir again. No lie. And I played it again and did well again, but that's a 1/150 chance to get him next game, and to get him twice in a row when i haven't gotten him once in the last several hundred games ????? yeah. it's a fucking setup , they should make ARAM actually random and not try to tweak it with their "matchmaking" and algorithms. Disgusting that they even force picks in "all random", big brother big time

Terchio4/17/2019, 12:16:21 PM3 votes

I don't really care for ARAMs so much. I did, however, play the recent event around it, and did not enjoy the banning portion of it compared to times I played prior. It was just another little thing to extend the setup on a short game mode, and also felt distracting before you receive your champ and try to scramble to find appropriate runes or decide if you're willing to gamble for a new one. Just my two cents.

Jennifer4204/17/2019, 3:00:14 PM3 votes

you should realize by now: if we give riot positive feedback about something they either nerf it or remove it. if we hate on something for 6 months, they wont touch it.

ModAcademy Kayn4/17/2019, 3:23:00 PM3 votes

B) fix the roll system to stop favouring certain champions. (Deny it all you want, this DOES happen)

No, it doesn't. What you have are the stronger champions being picked out of the pool after rerolls. You're likely not going to pick an Udyr out of the reroll pool, but someone's definitely going to be tempted to grab the Varus that someone rerolled out of. Situations like that is why you're more likely to see Stronger champs than weaker ones, because Rerolls are letting them put the weaker champs to the side.

A truly random system also means you're going to see more repeats. A coin flipping heads 5 times in a row, doesn't mean the coin isn't working, it just means you're unlucky. Apple had to change their Random-Shuffle when people were starting to complain that they kept getting the same song over and over. Random chance, doesn't mean you'll see all champions equally, because it's random.

Saianna4/17/2019, 5:46:23 PM3 votes

The item balance ingame gone kinda stupid aswell. ADCs and Tanks pretty much dominate any ARAM if they know the basics of dodging enemy skillshots

Jerry SeinfeId4/17/2019, 1:46:38 PM2 votes

Then fuckin quit. If bans in aram were the only thing that kept you playing i'd dread to ever get you on my team.

Did i like the bans? sure, no longer do i have to deal with kog maw's degenerate ult hitboxes. But in no way did they "fix" aram to the point where every match is 100% balanced.

A) Make ALL champions available to everyone in ARAM from the start

No stop trying to force me to play champs i didn't buy. there's a reason i didn't: I don't wanna play em, not on SR and not in ARAM.

B) fix the roll system to stop favouring certain champions. (Deny it all you want, this DOES happen)

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Jaspers4/17/2019, 8:39:32 AM2 votes

All bans did was cancel out the re-roll bin system. With that in place (without bans), while it's great to pick and choose from your team rejects, it meant that near pure poke comps could easily be formed more often making life hell for anyone who got a melee in general on the opposite team.

Honestly, the thing I think they should do is remove the bin.

Maisanai4/17/2019, 3:05:26 PM2 votes

Didn't they say they were just testing this stuff though? So we could see the bans return, maybe they just wanted to look at the data after the fact and see if it had a positive effect on the game and the players. I'm not disagreeing that it was dumb to remove it, but I think it's a bit early to be so mad about it.

Bouwer4/17/2019, 8:07:27 AM2 votes

Aram is a literal gamble and you only have impact on the outcome of the game if you get a decent champ. One OP champ doesn't change much, a decent team comp easily wins.

x1KissofDeath1x4/17/2019, 11:31:26 AM2 votes

Rito is stupid now. Just plain stupid. Looks like ill be playing something else today.

ZT Xperimentor4/18/2019, 4:23:13 PM1 votes

"B) fix the roll system to stop favouring certain champions. (Deny it all you want, this DOES happen)" Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this!

Bârd4/18/2019, 6:03:56 PM1 votes

Make ALL champions available to everyone in ARAM from the start.

ftfy

The fact that you need to grind for literal years to have the full roster is just plain dumb.