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Dear Riot... Just a few things on some champions

Xilky·3/4/2015, 12:16:53 PM·2 votes·975 views

Dear riot,

Since the new season has started you have been working on champions and trying to balance them out... somethings that I would like to point out and hopefully hear back from you and possible other users who would be willing to give their thoughts on this...

The number one thing I have noticed Swain: While this champion is a great mid lane champion and has some fantastic combination ability's the thing behind him is he just doesn't die when played correctly all a swain player has to do is hit their ultimate with catalyst and maybe some pots or a pair of boots... and they can all in you for the rest of the game and get away with it

My number Two thing is Nasus: yes that big beefy thing that everyone loves to play because he's so easy to play... there needs to be a champion that can counter his immense sustain late game.. pressuring him early just doesn't seem like enough these days. It seems no matter how much you pressure him or harass him he still ends up hitting like a truck with 100 stacks or so.

The reason why these two champions I am here to bring up is because so far every game I've played against them or seen them being played there just seems to be no way to stop them once they get rolling.

As a third and final note:

Gangplank:

Otherwise popularly known as critplank... oranges? them oranges. LOVE THE ORANGES hate the fact that it almost instantly can clear any form of CC I mean I realize that it is his way of escaping during fights and especially when played right beacuse we all know that there are a ton of players out there (you know who you are) that are incredibly good ranking up and climbing the ladder! You guys are awesome and I hope that you guys continue to climb the ladder and do well within the community.

I am only making this forum post because it's gotten to the point of where I just can't handle and it seems a lot of other players can't handle them either especially in my elo while I'm not in the best elo and there are probably some people who are going to come along and hate on this post but to hell if I care :) I'm doing my best for what I can do and maybe I'm not doing everything right however I'm still learning and you gotta learn by doing.

So Riot Back to my point, I ask that some of you who are able to and can you look into the champions I have noted and maybe discuss what you can do to make game play against these champions more fun and playable.

Thank you for your time! ~Xilky

8 Comments

SEKAI3/4/2015, 1:34:00 PM2 votes

People now run into problems with Swain nowadays because one of his 2 counter item, Executioner's Calling was removed, so if you're ad and laning against him now, unless you have ignite up all the time with jungler babysitting you 24/7, you're basically fked if you wish to trade. Ofc if you can burst him down pre 6 or out burst his sustain post 6, then you're fine, which is not exactly easy to pull off all the time.

Nasus, just get someone with range or early damage spike like Panth, Wukong or whoever and drive them into his face early 1 - 5. And don't get sunfire or AoE waveclear, you most likely want to farm after driving him out or killing him, you would wish to avoid the situation of him farming under his turrets. And if you have successfully killed him and pushed the lane, roam other places.

Gangplank, same with Nasus get some early game champs or ganks and drill right into his face, if you let him poke you to the point he can rush an early shiv or hydra, you're doing it wrong. If you can kill him or even just make him lose a ton of minions, he won't be much problem at all for the rest of the game.

Darth Valer3/4/2015, 3:56:48 PM1 votes

I'm a Gangplank player and I didn't expect to read pleas for nerfs regarding him xD He's extremely counterplayable: a item 1031 or item 3047 make his damage miserable and his W can be easily played around (unless you have only one form of CC; his W, anyhow, has a very long cooldown).

I kind of agree about Nasus: he can be bullied around, that's true, but should you fail a single FUK#IN step in the early stages, he can just back, return in lane with a item 3024 or item 3211 and outsustain the sh#t out of any damage you can throw at him. At that point, you can only hope to get to the enemy nexus before 25-30 mins, or you can call for surrender u_u

As for Swain, I have yet to find myself against him while either not having summoner 14 or being a mage, so I don't know if he's as dangerous as you claim him to be. I agree, though, that an AD Grevious Wounds item would be extremely appreciated.

Green3/4/2015, 4:02:46 PM1 votes

Hey xilky!

This is going to be my honest opinion about the 3 champions you've listed and how they work in ranked.

So about nasus and swain. When one of these champs is fed, it's easy to think "riot what on earth were you thinking!!!" and that's because swain/nasus have a 1vMany mechanic when they are fed. Riot will never ever ever ever make a champ that can disable another(and they shouldnt). Here's why: let's say riot made a nasus counter called "glob". If someone feels like playing nasus and locks him in then sees that the other team picked glob. Nasus would not want to play the game. Riot doesn't want that and will never do that intentionally.

However!! There is hope xilky! What is one of the best parts about league?? OUTPLAYS. Riot just LOVES outplays! Cause nothing feels quite like making a huge play that swings the game in your teams favor. Why am I saying this? Because Riot wants there to always be potential for outplay. Because let's face it, even the person playing Glob wouldn't be having that much fun if all he had to do is pick glob to win the lane.

Swain and Nasus have clear weaknesses. If you want to carry your team against these champs you have to exploit their weaknesses.

Exploiting weaknesses is called Counterplay. Riot encourages counterplay instead of counter champs because it's rewarding. Would you rather win a lane because you outsmarted the other player and exploited his weaknesses? Or simplly because your champ destroys his champ. Thats not fun for either player. This is why all of the "OP" abilities are either skillshots or require an interesting mechanic such as farming nasus q. Everything in league of legends can be counterplayed. And every champ has a way to shut down. Even if you are "countered" by the enemy champ.

Alot of people pick teemo against nasus because he is a "hard counter". Only problem is, if nasus is good enough all he has to do is farm under tower. Then what happens? We enter team fight phase and the only thing teemo can do is blind someone and pray they run into his shrooms. Meanwhile, Nasus is soaking up damage, lowering armor, and slowing someone by a trillion%. And I didn't even mention his q! What I am saying is, don't look for champs who counter your matchup, look for champs that works with the other 9 champs on the rift.

Now for gangplank, this champ is not very strong at all at the moment and I am waiting for a rework. His ult is his only spell that is decent and he only has 1 damaging ability and I'm not a fan of his get out of jail free card either. His kit just doesn't synergize. If you are losing to gangplank it's just because he is out skilling your team. However, he is a champ that works in low elo because people don't think about weaknesses. He's like teemo, just team fight. Because he doesn't contribute any thing after he ults and qs.

I encourage you to play these champs, and any champ that you aren't 100% familiar with in normals or a bot game and learn about their weakness. Beause you know who knows swains weaknesses more than anyone else on the rift? Swain!

I wish you all the best and if you ever want to hear my opinion on any question you have feel free to add me in game:)

-Green

Random Task3/4/2015, 8:33:15 PM1 votes

I understand the Nasus troubles. It's always a fear when I beat him to death in lane with Darius and he just sits back and farms. The main way to beat him is to win faster. Sounds weird but it's what higher elo players do better than lower elo. WIn faster. No matter who you are playing against. If you can push him out of lane and force him to farm; then push with your team as 5, there's no problem.

Nasus is a beast when he has stacks; when you beat him in lane he won't have many stacks and will likely be forced to stay top to farm. All you have to do is execute better at getting objectives while he farms and hangs his team out to dry and you'll be fine. If he doesn't stay and farm, he's weak and almost useless in fights.