Well about Rakan E...

GreenBoÍ·4/21/2017, 12:37:30 PM·26 votes·4,006 views

Soo yeah... I have a complain to say XD...

So i really actually like Rakan i mean, iI always dreamed of mobile dashy support, (Since i main Fiora i love dashes!lol XD) But i think its kinda unfair how Rakan is punished more than Xayah when he is without her, she basically loses nothing in her kit while he, loses like half of his E range... Which makes it like his basic AA Litelary, which means he loses a lot in his kit... Like only cuz of that range I died a lot and couldn't save a lot of people...

Well after the hype is gone, I bet it will be super rare that there would be both of them in game... And the bonus thing will just be forgotten...

So i wonder if they could like atleast make his range a bit larger? Jut a bit. (Like Lee's W?) That wouldnt hurt much, Would it?

Dont hate me for this please T_T

46 Comments

Sexy Fiora4/21/2017, 2:30:38 PM11 votes

THANK YOU. I made a similar discussion and am getting downvoted because the average IQ of league community is negative. This completely makes sense that Rakan feels very frustrating to play with short E range.

Chembaron Yamada4/21/2017, 2:59:06 PM5 votes

Just saying, that Rakan loses more of his kit than Xayah makes sense thematically. ^^ Does anyone remember the sentence they were teased with?

"She fights for the cause, he fights for her." She has a reason to fight herself. But if Xayah isn't around, Rakan loses alot of his motivation to fight because he actually fights for her.

Skorch4/21/2017, 9:26:22 PM4 votes

Actually just made a like 5 page essay post on this (and many other) Rakan subject(s) And this is basically what i put about his E. It is just kinda sucky without Xayah. But FANTASTIC with her.

Although a little sad its downright USELESS in sololane

Tunderwulf4/22/2017, 1:18:42 AM3 votes

THANK YOU!!! I gotta say, I was SUPER excited to play Rakan, because he looked fun as hell. Which, to be fair, he is still a lot of fun, but without Xayah, he's just barely a viable option. I think he needs a good buff next patch so that he can solo queue, which honestly, wouldn't be that difficult, I think.

We kinda have the same gripes with him:

  1. His range. The fact is, he's not a tank, he's a super mobile rogue support... but his cooldowns are so drastically long that he actually isn't as mobile as I think Riot intended him to be? His range forces him to be front line, and those cooldowns leave him vulnerable far too long.

  2. His cooldowns. I'm not too concerned about the Q cooldown (though, since it heals so little and only IF it actually connects with a champ, I think it could be buffed a bit). His E battle dance is understandable, since it is an initiating spell, it shouldn't be able to be spammed and it's pretty mobile to boot. The shield cooldown is WAY out of line. I know Riot had intended it to scale with W since they synchronize well, but in doing so I feel like they forgot that he's a support first! As a support, he needs to rely on those shields to actually be useful, no other support champ has to wait ~20secs between their shields. With the long cooldown, you're punishing Rakan for saving his lane partner since he no longer can effectively use his W (he'll be stuck in the middle of the fight with no escape).

  3. His Q. I love the idea about this ability, but it has a few problems (range I already mentioned). The one that really bothers me is that ONLY champions proc the heal. Rakan should also be able to proc the ability for large monsters, otherwise he's quite underwhelming when trying to take dragon or baron. Seriously, people will just ask him to go distract the enemy by sacrificing himself instead lol. Plus, by allowing it to proc off large monsters, you give people the opportunity to jungle with him more effectively. Part of the fun with champions is being able to take them to other positions than just ONE SINGLE THING.

  4. His W. Rakan is unjustifiably punished when not with Xayah. I understand what Riot was trying to do with this, give him an additional boost when laning with his partner, but I think they chose the wrong buff. The range he has with Xayah for his E is NECESSARY. Without the range, since the distance is the same for his E and W, if Rakan Es to the enemy and his lane partner backs off just a step, he's stranded with no exit strategy and we already discussed he's not a tank; he's dead. Additionally, the short range means he's practically worthless for peel. If his lane partner is running away and he Es to save them, again, they're gone and he dies for nothing. The enemy will likely just flash and get a double kill anyway. Riot should have went with a different buff for the W, like give Xayah and Rakan a damage reduction for like 4s whenever Rakan shields her. Or maybe they each heal for like 5% of Rakan's max health (prob op, but still a better idea than the range punishment).

  5. His R. Wonderful concept, very underwhelming. I absolutely loved the idea behind this, and was very excited to play.... but it's never helped me. In fact, I almost want to forget about it altogether. Whenever it's up, I keep looking for ways that it can be helpful, but it's not. The charm lasts only long enough for the enemy to take one step towards Rakan, and if he's trying to collect all of the enemy team, the 1st enemy is often going to be taking a step in a direction Rakan doesn't actually want. It's not very good for zoning, barely any good for peeling, doesn't do any damage. If you want to give your team an opening to attack, his battle dance is more effective. The charm ABSOLUTELY needs to last longer, I mean c'mon, this is an ULTIMATE, even Ahri's charm lasts longer (which the player has better control of where they want the enemy to go) and it's a normal ability!

I also hate how many people keep saying that "Well, Rakan isn't a fighter, so it makes sense that he can't do anything without Xayah. She fights for the cause, and he fights for her." No. That's BS. Remember, Rakan was a legend in his own right BEFORE he met Xayah, he just had no reason to use his talents until he met her. He wasn't just a performer before he met Xayah, he was a TRAINED BATTLEDANCER. This is why Xayah fell in love with him. He WASN'T just any pompous entertainer, he was a fighter, he was more than what people saw at face value. He won her over by being able to fight and keep up with her, and he made it seem effortless & beautiful. Do you really think Xayah would just fall in love with a no talent hack? Do you really think Xayah would have been happy babysitting a boy and teaching him how to fight? No way, Rakan PROVED he could meet her expectations.

And in the lore, Xayah and Rakan FREQUENTLY split up, where he is able to hold his own ALONE... His kit doesn't match his lore, he can't do anything alone at this point.

AbiwonKenabi4/21/2017, 8:08:10 PM3 votes

Eh, I've kind of gotten used to it. I view the Xayah range as a luxury, not a necessity. Yes, it is very nice to have such a long dash range and I relish in it, but I think the only reason a dash like that can be so long is because it's for a specific Champ. With the standard range I can still easily E to a forward teammate, W - Make my Grand Entrance and disrupt whatever the enemy was doing then dart back out on the same ally. It's sort of his teamfight/rescue bread and butter.

Plus, as others have pointed out, it's a nice touch thematically. Rakan is more motivated to fight because of Xayah, less so the other way around.

Shuyin1784/21/2017, 1:23:52 PM3 votes

He loses a bit of mobility, that's it. The extra range on his E with her is like a free E dash charge, nothing more.

SageMode4/21/2017, 9:04:45 PM2 votes

Good point. When I play xayah I never feel like I need Rakan vs another support. When playing Rakan you constantly wish you had xayah.

Cosmic Warper4/21/2017, 6:01:20 PM1 votes

Are you seriously complaining about a targetted mobility dash + shield being too low range? lmao. Hes a good support.

Kubox4/21/2017, 8:34:11 PM1 votes

I might be wrong with that, but my understanding of it is that Rakan is not meant to be able to use the increased range as a way to safely get out of fights. Instead, it's meant to boost his peeling when Xayah is involved. So say the enemy assassin pops in on her after Rakan engages, he can dash back to her not to save himself, but save her, whereas if you had any other ADC, you might not even be able to engage because if you do you have no way back to your carry.

Following that reason, it makes sense that they would keep the current range.

Arakadia4/21/2017, 9:19:45 PM1 votes

I think the range should be increasinged slightly, if he needs buffs, but I disagree with your argument.

But i think its kinda unfair how Rakan is punished more than Xayah when he is without her, she basically loses nothing in her kit while he, loses like half of his E range... Which makes it like his basic AA Litelary, which means he loses a lot in his kit... Like only cuz of that range I died a lot and couldn't save a lot of people...

Xayah does lose out. She doesn't give her support the extra damage. Rakan isn't loosing dash range, he is gaining it when he is with Xayah, just like Xayah isn't technically losing out, she is just gaining.

Anu3isII4/22/2017, 5:34:21 AM1 votes

If he proves to be weak without Xayah, sure. But if there are some champions that have extreme synergy with him and not-named Xayah, then he will most probably be the same.

What I want to say is that despite the synergy this duo has, I think both of them have 2-3 different champions which they have extreme synergy with. For example, I could see Rakan & Ashe working together with their chain CC and powerful defensive tools for an immobile ADC. Xayah could work with Blitzcrank, being literally a kill-lane.

I suggest that we should at least wait to see their stats before changing anything about them.

Mighty Mortein4/22/2017, 10:05:38 AM1 votes

All I want is his Q ranged buffed a little and nerf his R to compensate. Maybe make it scale up to 50% bonus movement speed.

xWaters4/21/2017, 1:44:42 PM1 votes

Hehe ecks dee.

paisy4/21/2017, 3:07:41 PM1 votes

Yeah just a little

Oelyk4/21/2017, 3:17:35 PM1 votes

I'm biased because Rakan can jungle. And he is damn good too.

Jeddy0174/21/2017, 4:13:53 PM1 votes

Well, it isn't that bad. You just have to play a little more safe when not playing with Xayah. Just don't go too deep & the loss of the extra range shouldn't be a problem.

Tskull14/21/2017, 5:30:05 PM1 votes

Just only duo with Rakan and Xayah fixes the issue and they are a great team anyway

Baron of Bread4/21/2017, 5:34:22 PM1 votes

Xayah loses 17% of her damage on auto attacks (17% instead of 20% because math). That is pretty significant if you ask me.