I wish the Gameplay boards were different.

SmileInABox·12/13/2016, 9:51:33 PM·73 votes·2,631 views

I love when I see posts teaching people how to counter a champ, or posts with actual discussion about things players can change. However there are so many just flat out salty rage posts! It sucks to see, and it sucks that so many people in gameplay have such a negative attitude and think that everything is broken.

I like some balance posts, when they're actually discussing reasonable changes instead of shouting to gut a champ. Unfortunately those are few and far between, and god forbid you actually try to defend a champ in those threads. Most of the time, they're just ranting about balance ideas that they have no real clue about and bring up rank every time there's a dissenting opinion.

Ultimately I wish there were more threads discussing things to help players, like discussing counters, jungle pathing, lane matchups, the meta, etc. That's the gameplay boards I'd really like to see more of.

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GULAG 4 U12/13/2016, 11:34:06 PM22 votes

Gameplay isn't known for making smart, reasonable and saltless suggestions friend.

Gameplay in a nutshell: "Why git gud when i can upvote farm and Qq about champ x until their trash???"

Sraeg201312/13/2016, 11:58:11 PM12 votes

Every time I mention Yasuo's weaknesses and how easily he can be countered.

- 20.

Big Lincoln12/13/2016, 10:01:12 PM9 votes

too bad

i'm making a gut bard thread as we speak, he's been on the gravy train for far too long

Teridax6812/14/2016, 1:30:07 AM9 votes

I think tips and tricks for specific champions/builds/etc. might probably be better-suited for its own board, since Gameplay is meant to be a place for players to give feedback on the game, but otherwise I completely agree. This should be a board for players to give constructive, well-reasoned feedback, and engage in productive discussion with Rioters, but instead it's become a cesspool of upvote farming and salt mining, with the loudest and most "meta" opinions receiving the most visibility, no matter how poorly explained or unoriginal they are, while the rest gets either ignored or downvoted.

However, I also don't think all of this can just be blamed on the playerbase; rather, the very structure of Gameplay is conducive to toxicity: for starters, the upvote system should not exist, as it is used exactly the wrong way: it's meant to reward constructive posts and push out those that don't contribute anything good, but it very quickly devolved into an "agree/disagree" button, which has then led to upvote farming. Another issue is the complete lack of supervision: Rioters rarely post here, let alone devote any resources towards curating the board, and there are few options to report or remove unproductive posts, or even just ignore annoying users. Because of this, it's very easy for the usual suspects to swarm the front page with essentially the same thread over and over again, while bullying everyone else out of the spotlight.

A while ago, Riot made a statement regarding its forum participation, stating that it preferred to have developers communicate directly with the playerbase. That mission statement has failed. Rioters rarely post on Gameplay, and it's not really their fault either, because they already have an intense, full-time job to work, and posting on the forums is another job by itself. Because the devs always have to mind their own, paying job whenever they go on Gameplay, they often post short, cryptic replies, if they ever post at all. There is effectively no real communication between Riot and the playerbase on these boards, which simply generates increased frustration and misunderstandings all around. Riot really needs to hire people specifically for communications purposes, i.e. employees whose job is purely to go on these forums, respond in detail to threads and comments, promote constructive discussion and visibility for good posts, prevent toxicity, and act as a relay between the devs and the players whenever there's a question on ongoing development. It is not reasonable of Riot to expect its devs to essentially work two jobs at once, and it's only logical that those devs would abandon their optional job to focus on the one they get paid to do.

AirKingNeo12/14/2016, 12:34:40 AM7 votes

I wish the boards had posting rules like Reddit. I bring this up because Reddit doesn't tolerate a LOT of posts we have here. You don't have to like Reddit, but no one can say the rules of posting here are as good.

Cry threads on Yasuo/Cait/Whoever? Nope, removed. Spamming buff Morde? Removed. Nothing stupid like "Burst and DPS are the same now" without putting in effort and meaningful thought (not the whole "wahh damage creep" or "wahh ADCs are so strong!!" circlejerks that we have here which are pretty dumb). Reddit even shows Esports results while these boards barely do.

Seriously, people's idea of balance is just stupid on the boards 97% of the time.


"Let's nerf ADC" yet they're the weakest class in the game. They could address the problems with the Last Whisper upgrades and offer an idea like buffing the ADC champions because the items are fine right now.

"Nerf Runann's" without saying why Runann's is strong. You could say "making it 25% AD and crit is a lot more powerful lategame then just 50% AD. I think it should be 50% AD because the item gives too much late game power". They could mention how it applies lifesteal and say it shouldn't and they don't.

"Ban new champions from ranked" without realizing what that means. Diamond+ players who want to play new champions? Should they play normals vs Golds or learn their champion against players at their level? Same applies to me. Why should I be forced to not play my champion at the level I feel is best for me?

There's no threads about how terrible assassins are. You mention buffing Ekko and everyone starts acting like they got PTSD from tank ekko despite not knowing tank ekko is completely dead now.

"Buff Azir/Kalista" without thinking what made them overpowered in the first place and not recognizing how that can be fixed.

ChargeItDownMid12/14/2016, 4:24:21 AM4 votes

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Ralanr12/13/2016, 9:52:32 PM3 votes

You want R/Summonerschool.

We used to have a tips and tricks board which was useful. I have no idea why they removed it.

Shaco my BFF12/14/2016, 1:30:24 AM3 votes

If there weren't so many obnoxious meta champions, there wouldn't be those threads.

Fly Fish Master12/14/2016, 10:07:27 AM3 votes

What is this? A well thought out post that isn't qq thread or saying "nerf Yasuo Rito pls"? THERE IS A GOD!!! [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Dominick Destine12/14/2016, 9:25:25 PM1 votes

This isn't a guide or a tutorial section.

It's about gameplay , which for this type of game translates primarily to balance. Balance is the most important thing in any MOBA and thus, we see balance discussed far more than anything else.