Do promos actually give you worse players on purpose?

My Names Gumbas·8/5/2018, 10:53:26 AM·74 votes·19,711 views

I know this is the worst question anyone ever asked, But for real now. People in my promos seem to be actually stupid, Legit don't know how to play and don't know how some mechanics work. Is this just really bad luck? Or something else? Because this is just beyond tilting. lost 3 games in a row (and my promos that i sunk a stupid amount of time to get to) because of afks, People who refuse to communicate and actual feeders.

114 Comments

Skorch8/5/2018, 1:16:21 PM25 votes

Honestly im pretty sure this is what we call "Confirmation Bias"

Astorine8/5/2018, 11:02:03 AM21 votes

Pretty sure they work differently to average matches. I got a full competent team that all won lane my 1st promo then my second, well not a single person on my team was even or positive in k/d. We lost that one in 20 minutes.

Sena8/5/2018, 5:19:12 PM8 votes

Would say absolutely based on personal experience, I would say about 60% of my promos games are utterly unwinnable, all lanes other than myself are about 0-10 by the 10 minute mark across the map, basically exactly what happened again last night when I decided to once again try my RNG dice rolling in a series. I do have the every now and then easy promo where I straight up win all of the games required, but definitely less so than the 100% unwinnable team mates that basically just straight up feed, rage over absolutely nothing and refuse to even play, lag horribly, disconnect or plain afk. Really tired of this promo system and how RNG based it is, feels like summoning KOS-MOS on Xenoblade 2 as your last rare blade if you ever played that.

Catastroclysm8/5/2018, 5:54:05 PM6 votes

I don't believe so, however there is a reason it seems this way. Or my best guess at least.

Leagues matchmaking system DOES try to force you into a 50% winrate as best as it can.

You ever notice every time you go on a long winning streak, your games get far more difficult? Often times a winstreak or rapid climbing is quickly followed by a loss streak as well.

This isn't just because you're climbing to higher levels, but also because the matchmaking system starts intentionally putting you in matches you are highly likely to lose, in an attempt to push you back towards a 50% winrate.

This is why you see games where the entire enemy team is several ranks higher than your team at times.

If you're climbing, and reaching your series, you're probably winning far more than losing, at least in the short term. This results in the system giving you your unwinnable games, and often enough that happens during your series.

Best you can hope for is to get lucky and winstreak through your series, then have matchmaking wreck you afterwards so you just stay at 0 and don't drop.

chide da jungler8/5/2018, 7:11:41 PM5 votes

Yes. Promos are for smashing your face in to over and over with coin-clip matches.

MOuHahaHAhahaaaa8/5/2018, 11:17:37 AM5 votes

It's different promos gives you sometimes higher level mmr opponents than yours because it considers that you have to be able to beat stronger opponents if you want to climb to a higher level. Sometimes there is a huge gap which doesnt feel fair. As your opponents are stronger you feel as your mates are bad. Level gap is too high.

oOBestEveNAOo8/5/2018, 4:53:08 PM5 votes

Yes, the matchmaking algorithm does handicap your team when you are in promos in order to make you "prove" you deserve to rank up. Sometimes you get lucky and the enemy also has a member in promos which usually means you and that person are the lowest MMRs in the match.

Leonerdo8/5/2018, 4:59:32 PM4 votes

There's no intentionally different matchmaking in promos that makes it harder to win. However there are two side-effects that could impact the matchmaking very slightly.

  1. You have to win some matches to get to promos in the first place. And of course winning raised your MMR, like it always does.
  2. You are granted autofill protection during promos (because you should be at your best when you're being tested by promos). However that means if someone needs to be autofilled to make a match, it will be someone else on your team. Which means there is a very tiny increase in autofilled teammates in your promos. (But seriously, Autofill is already rather rare, and situations where your autofill protection actually changes anything are even rarer.)
Smashed Hash8/5/2018, 2:36:22 PM4 votes

Ranked is hell in low elo.

Smart Girl8/5/2018, 1:58:16 PM2 votes

Oh yeah definitely riot it does that on purpose last season I was in bronze and when I wanted to do ranked again they Placed me against Gold's plats and diamonds like what???? Like I literally couldn't comprehend what they were doing

Reaper Soraka8/6/2018, 4:39:17 AM2 votes

My promos to gold I won because I got lucky. Both teams were far better than I was and the simple fact that I tried my hardest not to feed is the only reason I made it. The enemy teams somehow knew I was the weakest link and I swear they targeted me.

Maybe I was in a game of smurfs vs smurfs? From what I've seen, the people in high silver - gold definitely try. They aren't that bad either.

MikeJ122O8/6/2018, 11:14:00 AM2 votes

I do feel that. I do alright in my promos but many times I do get players who feed in the laning phase and then the fed enemy roams after taking tower and then the enemy team starts dominating hard. I wish the ranks between each player in my ranked games were actually close so people would chill out. Gold 4/3 players would be matched with low plat players like me and my mmr is normal for P5. I don't think promos should be significantly more difficult than normal ranked games, just a little more harder than normal. Big rank gaps in each role like a G4 Kha'Zix jungle player vs a P4 Udyr enemy jungler should not exist in my promos to P4. Their mmr matches their ranks.

FixHealsRemoveGW8/6/2018, 10:57:17 AM1 votes

Clearly not because the matchmaking can't reliably team you up with bad players, just as you are not guaranteed to have only good players. It works for both sides.

Riot would gain nothing from writing a specific algorithm or even hand-pick players to achieve what you described. For them it would mean more work, higher costs. It's not plausible.