will not stop ranting till swain is buffed. more reasons why. if you ignore, you admit u agree.

SuperNova0079·9/1/2018, 3:29:52 AM·2 votes·1,816 views

Swain has to do things that a mage of any type SHOULDN'T DO. Example, I do not like how I have to walk into pointblank range to get the most damage out of my Q. Spite this It is still less damage then what the enemy will do to you in response. Any other mage can just burst you from afar and you will never get to use any of your spells. E is too hard to hit so it is unreliable, no I do not suck at using E, His ult is underwhelming for the effort you put into it.

I want to make big flashy plays as Swain That rely on staying alive long enough in a fight so my basic ability cool downs finish more than 1 time to get a lot of damage out. I need constant healing to do this. His ult doesn't do enough of it by a long shot. MasterYi can just out dps you, and out sustain you without using any mana. While i'm sitting here hitting MasterYi with all of my fucking spells and Only tickle him a bit because he is meditating. Then he dodges my spells with his Q then does more damage than I do at a lower level with less items with pure basic attacks.

Swain is underwhelming for the effort you put in. To fix this Swain soul fragments should provide spell vamp while you have them. This spell vamp should double when you ult for the duration of the ult. It should be like 4% spell vamp per soul fragment but only for your basic abilities and passive and doubles when you use your ult. This way you actually can sustain your self. When the entire enemy team jumps on you If you can hit your spells constantly and hit as many people as possible. So that you can out heal them IF you are good enough at Swain .

21 Comments

CppL9/1/2018, 5:48:52 AM6 votes

Seems you just dont know how to play swain ,thats all.

jocomotion9/1/2018, 2:35:20 PM2 votes

Wow, the lack of balancing knowledge is ludicrous.

“Swain has to do things that a mage of any type SHOULDN'T DO. “

That’s because he’s a battlemage not a regular mage. In exchange for range he gets even higher damage and more durability. Swains more similar to Rumble who needs to position on top of enemies in order to get as much of his flamespitter out as possible. Or Vladimir who’s got even less range but also needs to be in the middle of the fight for maximum healing/damage.

“I do not like how I have to walk into pointblank range to get the most damage out of my Q”

See here’s the thing though; you don’t have to use your Q point blank every time, in fact if you’re trying to you’re playing Swain wrong. The spell has next to no cooldown, so it’s not detrimental to hit it point blank 24/7. The whole point of spell variants is to allow as much control as possible while still being fair, that’s basic pvp balancing. Using Q max distance allows for the most safety but little damage, mid distance is decent damage but less safety, and point blank is minimum safety for the most damage. That is, believe it or not, fair.

“E is too hard to hit so it is unreliable, no I do not suck at using E, His ult is underwhelming for the effort you put into it.”

Something here tells me you do suck at using it. Maybe it’s the way you assumed people would say you just suck, but I digress. This is simply a matter of opinion, nothing I say here will even make you think a little bit to the other side. I think it’s an amazing skillshot that still retains a lot of counterplay, an AOE root that can combo into the rest of your kit, and set up the pull on your passive. It can be body blocked but if it couldn’t be body blocked it’d be overpowered.

“I want to make big flashy plays as Swain That rely on staying alive long enough in a fight so my basic ability cool downs finish more than 1 time to get a lot of damage out.“

Then play Vladimir. He’s got more damage and healing, but in exchange less utility and no hard CC. What you just described sounds way closer to Vlad than Swain.

MasterYi can just out dps you, and out sustain you without using any mana. While i'm sitting here hitting with all of my fucking spells and Only tickle him a bit because he is meditating.”

Ok so many things wrong here. First, 90% of the champions in the game can’t put DPS Yi, he’s MASTER YI. Sacrificing any utility, CC, and range for pure damage. Second, why should Swain with one ability be able to out sustain a Yi who builds nothing auto attacking items? That makes no sense. Third, why not save your E for when he meditates to pull him out of it THEN Q? Fourth, When did this turn into a hitpeice on Yi?

SwiftKitten889/1/2018, 4:34:03 AM2 votes

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Arammus9/1/2018, 3:38:51 AM2 votes

if i ignore this i admit i agree? k. i dont ignore it, just to admit that i DO NOT agree

Dr Dog9/3/2018, 12:30:59 AM1 votes

welcome back old friend, why are you playing swain mid lmao hes a bot laner currently and taking cleanse every game isnt helping you

Naziru9/24/2018, 8:22:29 PM1 votes

Poor Swain, to be left in such a useless state. They took out his only way of exchanging with ranged mages without putting yourself at risk (Torment-->Q if theres time-->then lead with Nevermove). The old Swain could BECOME OP by being fed, but it required early game finesse and the patience not to die early when most other mids out damaged you. Current Swain never really catches up to ANY other mids damage potential even WITH a few extra kills, lost his only AoE disable/escape ability for a single target tiny skillshot that seems to go right through enemies half the time (my last game I saw it go through whole waves of minions without triggering and right through enemy champs multiple times without triggering?), lost his weak but situationally useful Q slow for a laughably weak AoE melee range damage ability that is too risky to use for trading, and his ult is now weaker than before and duration limited and on a longer cooldown and heals him less per hit.... and only gained a situational AoE burst ability that needs to be setup before it can even work.

I really don't know what the designers were thinking with this one. Swain went from a very tactical long range mage that only dove into short range on enemies low enough to finish off and mostly revolved around zoning, killing minions with a very slow AA, and positioning yourself in such a way to lure the enemy into over extending or diving into your ult. Current Swain just seems like a lousy poorly thought out generic AP.

SwiftKitten889/1/2018, 3:42:05 AM1 votes

lol i was trying to guess your elo by your post.. and when i tried to check my guess .. i see u havent even completed placements...

and no.. im not "rank shaming" rank doesn't mean jack shit

what DOES matter is your understand of the game, and its balance.

and THAT is someing you lack

also what is this

"if you ignore, you admit u agree."

are u like 12?

just because they make a "gameplay +" section that isn't a reason to post shit like this

MasterYi can out dps you

NO FUCKING SHIT!!! thanks captain obvious.

and granted yes MasterYi is particularly strong right now.

but u seem to last the basic understanding of how certain classes work... yi... does dps.. you do burst damage.

and u clearly dont even know how yi works if you are trying to burst him THROUGH his meditate

BrightWîngs9/1/2018, 11:21:53 AM1 votes

swain is fine

ned the kled9/1/2018, 1:58:26 PM1 votes

bruh swain isn't supposed to be like syndra

he's a frontline mage thats why ur fucking supposed to be in their face in order to do damage with your Q