Lissandra Q is too wide

undEAdbUs·2/23/2015, 11:04:00 AM·1 votes·1,686 views

Any time I meet Lissandra on top I'm suffering from hard zoning. She spams her Q and there is almost no way to dodge it. It's wide lond range and spammable. Any champions without strong sustain will be able to farm only under tower. Please make it not so wide. Most toplanes are not able to trade with Lissandra because she has long range and there is no way to all in 1v1, because she has cc and escape, so only way to stay on lane is to dodge her skills, but it's very difficult.

35 Comments

Faith Breaker2/23/2015, 1:16:50 PM2 votes

I declare this topic officially closed.

Fed by Snu Snu2/23/2015, 12:02:33 PM2 votes

It's not spammable.

It costs 85 mana.

And it's quite easy to avoid, although I've been playing Lissandra since S3, so I know how she works.

Tough luck, you were calling her a bad pick a year ago, now you cry for her. Deal with it.

Faith Breaker2/23/2015, 11:34:18 AM2 votes

The initial spell width and range is easily avoidable. You're only being nailed with her q after she aims it at the minion wave and it breaks apart increasing in width, and gaining added range. Farm the minion wave from the side, don't LET Lissandra keep smashing you in the face with her q. As a Lissandra player, it's actually very frustrating to hit an enemy with your q outside of the lane phase, as you have to get very close for it to strike. With minions around it's rather easy to. It's like MF's q, you can get the second shot to bounce off a Caster minion and seemingly have TONS OF RANGE against the enemy. The answer is to step aside and don't remain behind your caster minions. I think alot of people's lane phase would greatly improve from the simple act of farming from the side of the minion wave rather then behind it or directly within the minion skirmish. Please don't ask Riot to nerf a champion with a clear identity and easily recognizable strengths and weaknesses. Lissandra top is fine. Her q is fine. Stop letting her kick your ass. It's not Riot's fault It's not Lissandra's fault. It's your fault. Learn to adapt to new situations and quit being a baby.

Reynard the ƒox2/23/2015, 11:24:18 AM2 votes

Pink ward the spear, you'll be fine.

Alternatively, you can just dodge while she's in Twilight Shroud.

Skia Asteri2/23/2015, 3:00:47 PM1 votes

Avoid letting her hit you and a lot of minions at the same time if nothing else. That way she gets fewer free spell casts, and with her low mana regen and the high cost on her Q she will go OOM fairly fast.

You should also play her and learn how to recognize when she will get a free cast (there is a visual effect to signal it).

Her main weakness is running into mana issues if she is not allowed to use her passive effectively.

EmittingXs2/23/2015, 3:33:29 PM1 votes

You're difficulty against her at Top Lane is why Lissandras go Top Lane. She has the versatility to do so and she can get away with it, not just with her E. You're asking for a nerf unto a champion whose main role isn't Top, she's a Mid lander and this nerf would hurt her there, her home turf. Most Top laners are melee champions so other champions with any sort of range are already at a huge advantage. But remember, once she spams her skills or is out of mana, she's a walking easy kill. Lissandra Tops don't usually build armor or some sort of defensive item from the get go, if you can avoid her Qs and get in close to deal damage, before she get's her W or by getting her to use it prematurely, you can beat her down. She's a Mid Laner, a good punch to the gut and she's out cold. Hahaha, no pun intended.

Abyssphere2/23/2015, 7:28:06 PM1 votes

You say you're having these problems against Liss, but how are you dealing with people like Cass right now? If you can't dodge a Liss Q I can't imagine you being able to dodge a Cassiopeia Q.

Liss is too good but it's not her Q width at fault. Frankly I don't know what's wrong with her, probably the fact that she's the only mage without crippling mana problems right now.

Kilane2/24/2015, 3:54:02 PM1 votes

How can you not beat Liss as Vlad?

You positioning must be ultra bad against her. Your Q outrange her Q and it's a click to win. All you have to do is to stand on the same side of the wave with her and not behind it. And you can just QQQQ her to death.

Sirsir2/24/2015, 4:18:19 PM1 votes

Width? Really?

WIDTH?!?!?

Kouga2/23/2015, 11:34:36 AM1 votes

It gains width and range if it hits an enemy - namely a minion. So don't stand behind your creep wave while it's off cd. When she uses it you can safely move in. The initial spell isnt unreasonably long or wide. It can be easily juked.

And while she has cc and escape like any mana mage she will bleed herself dry of mana if she roots you and blinks away every time you engage on her. If nothing else call for a gank. She tends to push because she hits minions to harass with her q. So when she does you engage and when Liss Es away your jungler is waiting for her.

BeatzBoyFTW2/23/2015, 12:33:24 PM1 votes

The fact that you main Vladimir top lane, who is also range and has better sustain, makes this whine thread kinda pointless. You're suppose to be the one to counter her off, not the other way around. Even I don't have much complains about Liss top myself, for a Ryze top lane main.

"Most toplanes are not able to trade with Lissandra because she has long range..." w/e man, ur Vlad, you're only speaking for yourself.

Before you speak anything like "Ur bronze n00b, stfu", yea Im Silver 3. Dun be mad.

Droogzy2/23/2015, 1:45:38 PM1 votes

Vlad does not counter Lissandra. As it was already mentioned, you're going to be shoved into your turret all game long if you try to lane against Lissandra with a Vlad.

And healthy? Lissandra is a pick or ban status right now for top laning. Not saying she's cancerous, but she's FAR from healthy right now, she's capable of completely locking down priority targets with stupidly high ease and still survive, especially once she gets her Zhonya. I really like her, but healthy is not the word I would use to describe her.

I really do hate using win ratios as an example to back it up, but look at her win ratio in NA LCS. The last I checked IIRC, she was 12-0, which was last week to be fair, but nonetheless, you can not tell me a healthy champion is one who is pick or ban status, but on top of that, when she is played, she never loses, simply put, her teamfight prowess is just beyond ridiculous especially late game.

Edit: She's 12-1, one loss, but still proves my point nonetheless.