Champion mastery too affected by outcome?

A Ocean·5/8/2015, 3:50:10 PM·97 votes·23,660 views

I'm a Cho'Gath main and yesterday I played two games, one on Vel, one on Cho. On Vel I completely fucked up, lost lane, went 2-6-5 but luckily still won thanks to the top laner carrying. On Cho I carried in a 2v8 while my ADC had disconnected, top and supp trolled with the purpose of ending the game as quickly as possible (they had to go) and I went 12-3-4 with 20 stacks on Mejai most of the time (2 of the deaths happened in the last 3 minutes when there were literally 2 people playing on my team). Got 1063 mastery points for Vel'Koz, 195 for Cho'Gath. I know the outcome is MEANT to affect the mastery points earned, but that much?

115 Comments

Jambulija5/8/2015, 5:12:26 PM53 votes

I have noticed this too, and i hate it.

It is supposed to be "Champion Mastery" not "Champion Match Points"...

How ever the whole concept is not worth the attention coz in couple of months is gonna mean only this: Guy has a Tier 5 mastery on his champ - "This guy has played this champion very good for 20 games or very bad for 100 games"... U still wont know if he is good or bad with the champ. This thing is up just as a new hobby for those "Gotta catch em all" guys...

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Is not meant to give you an insight of your opponent, its meant to satisfy your need for long term micro goals in a match-per-match game. - so fuck it.

RiotMirross5/8/2015, 11:30:13 PM29 votes

Hey there,

Totally understand that there's some dissonance here when you get back to back results like this.

When we're working on design and balance here we have a range of factors. Most importantly, we want games to stay healthy competitive environments where everyone is trying to do the same thing (namely: win.)

We don't want people off farming lanes while the team is doing Baron, or trying to steal kills, or any other weird behavior that's focusing on min-maxing Champ Mastery rather than winning the game. For this reason, your champion points are based on your overall team's performance. We'll keep looking at the specific balancing and see if it needs tweaking.

We also want to be able to give you feedback on how well you're doing, and that's what we have the performance grades for - S through D. They compare how well you did in the game with everyone else in your region on that Champion and position (e.g. Rek'Sai jungle).

Giving goals and feedback based on individual performance is a really interesting space that we may well move in to in future - we just have to be really careful about how we do it. Suggestions are welcome! :)

Durzaka5/8/2015, 7:19:03 PM17 votes

It would be nice if 85% of the points werent determined if you won or not.

I understand it is a really hard thing to quantify, but if i play a game as Zac jungle, and i have a 90% kill participation for my team, and we still lose, i dont think i deserve fucking 300 points.

PaeanAsklepios5/8/2015, 7:52:46 PM8 votes

I once got 1600 points on Evelynn for winning a game and only around 200 (I might be being generous here) on Soraka for losing a game, despite having a MUCH better KDA on Soraka (and a crap ton of healing, as Sorakas do).

I've noticed from the start how skewed the mastery system is. I've only received one S so far--with AD Soraka, of all things--with everything else ranging from anywhere between A+ and D- (I was around 3/11 on Kalista...but I still got more points than that Soraka game I mentioned above). It's actually very irritating to suggest that I play better with Soraka but get marginally less points because my team loses.

Isn't the entire mastery system based on how well you do with the champion--IE in NO way supposed to be effected by your win/loss outcome? I'm not mastering a team, I'm mastering a champion....

gubigubi5/8/2015, 9:41:57 PM3 votes

Ya I personally think the mastery should be more focused on in game stats than the outcome of the game. It should still take the win/lose into account but not this harshly.

Toa of Death5/8/2015, 5:07:49 PM2 votes

Cho follows the tank role. The amount of points you get is determined by how well you performed in your champ's intended role.

The Bíg Ticket5/8/2015, 7:23:44 PM1 votes

Its a teamgame and if you cannot win having played great individually doesnt mean anything.