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Leauge isnt a skilled game anymore OPIONIONS???

Cpt Highland··4 votes·675 views

I personally believe that leauge isnt a skill based game anymore. I was once gold. I know this isnt diamond or challenger but at least getting to gold means that i should at least have some idea of what im doing right?. The reason i say leauge isnt a skill based game any more is because i believe that i am good enough to be at least plat however i am in silver currently. I KNOW THATS WHAT EVERY BRONZE AND SILVER PLAYER SAYS BUT I WILL GIVE REASONING TO WHY THIS IS SO.

I personally believe that in season 4 and early season 5 it was a game of skill where u could carry your team and the game wasnt so team reliant.

  1. When one wins lane more often than not the rest of your team looses lane.
  2. Attempting to roam could result in a kill but as an adc main roaming is very limited.
  3. In match making it seems that every lacks map awareness and has very little game knowledge.
  4. Even when you win lane and are fed RIOT has made it so that it is very difficult to carry games solo with all the tank buffs and damage items

I dont understand why some champions are so tanky and can do so much damage at the same time. For example yorick can 1 v 4 and win irelia can do the same she burst adcs like a mage or assasin but can tank like a tank. Bruisers shouldnt be able to do both so well.

Even when your are ahead some adcs are still useless so adc is a role which requires skill in order to not be bursted by anything. Even supports can kill some adcs if u are unaware of what u are doing. Mages can only do so much damage to tanks bruisers seem to be the way to go but without follow up you will die. Jg seem to be the best role to carry with but with commitment from your team ganks will never be succesful. RIOT has made it a team game. Even with a lead you cant solo carry anymore. So i believe it comes down to luck and chance as to who has the better team mates and not who is more skilled

My final point. I dont play this game like COD. I know kills are important but i push towers hard i have map awareness so i know when to back off myself I take drag when ever it is smart and saft to do so i bait baron determine the most effecient places to ward but my team just get caughts out or doesnt know who to focus and as an adc main u can only do so much with 3 fed players looking at you

30 Comments

Ralanr3 votes

"Who has better teammates not who is more skilled"

So be that better teammate.

Look, is it really wrong for a team game to be team based?

Zanicus Musicus1 votes

if the matchmaking was better then it wouldn't be a big deal. I'm not a great player nor do I claim to be, but when I'm 10/1 on a carry and get deleted by a 2/10 assassin then we have a problem, just my opinion. Also, other than a chat function, which is more toxic and deadly to use in game, there is no way to verbally communicate with your team. Teams need communication other than quick chat messages.

I agree it's a team game and should be treated as such, but there needs to be a work around where the game lacks as well.

Ralanr1 votes

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if the matchmaking was better then it wouldn't be a big deal. I'm not a great player nor do I claim to be, but when I'm 10/1 on a carry and get deleted by a 2/10 assassin then we have a problem, just my opinion. Also, other than a chat function, which is more toxic and deadly to use in game, there is no way to verbally communicate with your team. Teams need communication other than quick chat messages.

I agree it's a team game and should be treated as such, but there needs to be a work around where the game lacks as well.

In certain circumstances, that's not a problem.

Zanicus Musicus1 votes

Agree to disagree then, because I play a lot better when I have people in my head talking than when I do people flaming in all chat

Ralanr1 votes

I agree on the flaming. Just don't get surprised when an underfed assassin still kills a squishy carry. Unless they are really lacking items, obviously.

Dragfin3 votes

Thinking is a skill. Information gathering is a skill. Proper building for the current situation is a skill. Positioning is a skill.

It's not all about being skilled with the champ you play because all these skills are required by every champ.

Most players here don't have any skill when it comes to any of these which is why we get stupid posts like this.

Ralanr3 votes

Most people only seem to care about expressive skill rather than knowledge based skill.

"You only built X. Anyone can build X!"

I get that watching good reflexes can be exciting, but that's not the only form of skill.

Cpt Highland1 votes

I have 6 item slots and i try to itemize them suiting the game based on the enemy team. For example with healing team i would get executioners or tank i would get bork into some armor pen but if i cant at least output enough damge to count and my team builds what they feel like i can only do so much

Cpt Highland1 votes

Im pretty sure im very skilled with most of my champions. But i cant make my teammates any good with their champions or choices

Cpt Highland1 votes

Im pretty sure im very skilled with most of my champions. But i cant make my teammates any good with their champions or choices also im pretty sure i am more efficient in all of these areas than you are

Dragfin2 votes

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Im pretty sure im very skilled with most of my champions. But i cant make my teammates any good with their champions or choices also im pretty sure i am more efficient in all of these areas than you are

You truly have no clue WTF you are talking about then. What exactly is the purpose of your post? Do you even know? You said league isn't a skilled based game.

Just because you have those skills and others might not be as proficient doesn't mean there is no skill involved in league like you stated. Your post makes zero sense.

Nahui3 votes

Well, how about you go and tell that to every Plat+ player. How about you tell that to the challengers? I'm sure they just lucked their way there. Flipped a coin in loading screen, and that decided the game.

No?

It's a team game. All team games are crutched by individual performances. You get bad games, you get good games. You're being incredibly bias in your observations. Yorick doesn't 1v4. Never does. He cannot. UNLESS, your team refuses to try and think. If you all go in with 100 health and give him a 5 second head start to attack, maybe he might win a 1v4. Maybe.

1.) When one lane wins - That's just incorrect, sorry. That's personal bias. There's no data supporting that, there's nothing even close to suggesting that. In my games, this is not the case. Each lane has a 50% chance to win (In the sense that you can only win or lose). You win yours, gj, you got your 50%. Other two lose? Nothing to do with you necessarily, they didn't get their 50%. There are two other lanes other than yours, so it's easy for your bias to cheerypick this.

  1. That's why ADCs don't usually roam. They control dragon and farm up. Roaming is for other lanes and jungle. Not sure what the point being made here is.

3). Again another bias. Sure, there are 11 million players. 10,999,999 of them have no map awareness or knowledge. You're the only golden star, only not Challenger Rank 1 because of the rest of us.

  1. "All the tank buffs and damage items." Well, if it's not a tanky item, and it's not a damage item, I'm not sure what else there can be. You can carry games, but you can't expect that if you're fed, you can just look at someone and they die. That's not fair. You're asking for a lead that turns into the end of the game. That's toxic, otherwise all assassins would be permabanned. Try building a last whisper against tanks. Try relying on supports, or building a GA for damage.

Riot hasn't "Made it a team game." It's been a team game since it came out. A player shouldn't ever just solo carry unless wildly ahead. Otherwise, they should just add a win condition where if a champion gets either 6 kills by 15 minutes or 150 CS by 15 mins, then the game should automatically end. That's what you're asking for. You want to get a few cheese kills, or fair kills, bot and end the game right there. That's not how team games work, the other team needs a chance in all situations.

Cpt Highland1 votes

I never claimed to be challenger im just saying even with excessive pings and warning people dont listen and as my friend said later down in the comments if i am fed and i am playing someone with little outplay potentional and die to another fed mid laner without coverage from my team or even with optimum positioning how is that fair?

just OK jungler2 votes

League is completely skill based, the reason you're not plat is because you dont deserve it, all the plat worthy players are in plat, all the silver worthy players are in silver. END OF STORY

Cpt Highland1 votes

If that were so then some of the players i met who i believe actually deserve plat and cant get out because they dont have the time to grind the system do not deserve plat? Also rank is determined by the placement games. If you are good enough you can be placed above all the ranks which have all these 'bronze and siver' players

Azure Hamster2 votes

It's totally skill-based. This is ridiculous.

Caitlyn

Cpt Highland1 votes

So you are saying that the game is in favour of who ever is the most skilled player. But if i live through a zed ult a rumble ult and a lee and try to output damage but my team does a stupid engage and all die and im left then thats a waste of my potential is it not?

UnboundHades1 votes

all I know is bronze level of bad shouldn't exist

coeurloyal1 votes

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UnboundHades1 votes

I played against a heal ghost level 7 mastery illaoi top lane and she engaged on me at 1/5 health when her jungler was just starting to walk up from red

Hyperiön1 votes

The game currently is about who has the better jungler.

If you have the worse jungler, 8 out of 10 times you lose by 15 minute.

Dukues1 votes

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The game currently is about who has the better jungler.

If you have the worse jungler, 8 out of 10 times you lose by 15 minute.

that's every season tough..... and honestly its less effective this year than in season 6. If it was still season 6 I would be climbing much easier since jungle could carry much harder.

Galiö1 votes

This game was never skill based. Sure they added more skill shot spells and delays and mobility yo almost every ability in the game. Bit it's still not very skill based.

The higher skillful champs are champs like jayce, nidalee, and Elise. But that leaves bigger room for error when you miss or stumble your keys.

It's easier to play simple and more effective champs and you're more likely to win. League isn't a fighting game... And even in those people will spam moves. You just gotta learn to play the map and push. Thats it. No kill no deaths nothing. Just look at map don't die and push.

Dukues1 votes

I mean I am having my struggles as well and honestly I really dislike this season and the current meta but League is definitely still a skill based game. My problem is matches just feel.... really uneven right now. Like.. one team will have a couple veteran players who know at least have some idea what's going on while the other team will have a bunch of new players. Which.... I feel puts the team with less experienced players at a disadvantage.

Combine that with a snowball meta I find climbing harder now than I did in season 6. In season 6 I hit gold on 3 accounts doing different roles. But right now I am struggling to get out of silver 2 playing my main role. The jungle changes at the start of season 7 really messed with me and I did take roughly 3 months off. I am starting to figure it out now but holy hell have I had many many many frustrating games. I know I am not close to great at this game but.... I do know how to play the game at a decent level. But feel like I am being punished for not being a great early game player. When in reality silver is mostly a bunch of people who are ok at the game for 10 mins before losing track of what's going on. Last season I ranked 3 accounts up through silver all with over 54% win rates because I knew mid & late game better than most the people I played against and used that to my advantage a lot. But right now none of that seems to matter since there so many damn snow ball games.

SadKill1 votes

Going over the four points you mentioned.

  1. You were skilled enough to win your lane, unfortunately your teammates were not skilled enough to win theirs.
  2. Roaming is limited as a bot laner but knowing when a good time to roam is a skill or when a good time to call for a roam to bot is a skill.
  3. Map awareness is a skill that must be learned to get better at the game. In Starcraft you would be caught off guard with drops without map awareness. Or get surrounded.
  4. It is more difficult to carry solo, the game has become more about team play, objectives and decision making. If you get a lead in your lane, don't just sit in your lane and let the other enemies catch up, leverage your lead in other lanes as well as your own with increased roams or lane swapping. Essentially use your lead to try and get your teammates a lead, maybe not through kills, but through towers only.

You're right, it's a team game and comes down to who has the better teammates, aka, which team is more skilled.

coeurloyal1 votes

Believe me, if you go play Heroes of the Storm for a week you'll come back with full faith that League is indeed a skill-based game. Mechanics may not be the end-all answer to elo problems anymore, but you have to actually play mechanically to win--unlike heroes, where you just have to play the objectives and attack the right people.

Most of the mechanics in that game are so brain dead that anybody could execute the most difficult champions in the game without any problems. There's only one hero in that game I can think of that has an animation cancel, and only a handful with an auto attack reset. Heck, there's only one that has to last hit the creeps, and you can opt out of that if you wanted to.

FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votes

Why is it that high elo players can get as many smurfs as they want to Challenger? Because the have the SKILL required to do so.

Frightning1 votes

I found ADC to be an excellent role to carry games from in Silver elo when I played some ranked back in season 3. If your getting fed and generally doing well, but consistently failing to convert that to a win, I suspect that your macro play is lacking, and that you're not making proactive macro plays.

Most people that play this game have only the most rudimentary of understandings of macro play. Never forget that, no matter how bad your 4 teammates are, you are still in control of your own champion and what that champion is doing at all times. Use that to the fullest to help your team win!

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Azure Hamster1 votes

It's a team game. The team with the greater skill wins.

Sure there is a minor element of luck due to crits and certain things like zyra's seeds popping up in random places.

But it is the actions of the players that determine the outcome. Take any teamcomp in a silver game. Give the losing champs to Diamond players and the winning champs to Bronze players. I know who will win.

Caitlyn

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