Is it just me or does adc feel like a subpar role this season?

Knight SoIaire ·1/26/2020, 12:55:24 PM·10 votes·6,579 views

Im making this thread because i would like to compare how im feeling about the current state of the adc role with other players since season 10 changed the way i see it so drasticaly. I apologize for any typos and other errors in advance.

For starters id like to clarify that im fine with adc's no longer being the "carry" role but with how restrictive the marksman champion class became there is actualy very little to do in order to adapt to the new meta... quite franky a lot of the marksman champions seem completly unviable due to how easily it is to kill them right now and how hard is to not fall of while playing them, either you pick an adc that can somehow run for safety or you are a walking gold sac for the enemy to plunder.

I also noticed that people in my games seem to be aware of that, supports tend to go for damage oriented mages much more often than traditional supports and its quite common for them to outdamage their adc's even thou they have much less gold. sometimes people dont even bother picking an adc botlane and go with a duo mage bot or some speficic combo for synergy. peeling doesnt even exist in current lol terminology... either the adc survives by himself or dies by himself even if its in the middle of a teamfight.

in the end my games wiith adc feel like im playing a champion ballanced for being a glass cannon but only functional as a bait. either ill do no mistakes and mantain some sort of relevance... or with a single mistake ill fall behind for far that there is just no place on the map for me.

And i have actualy tried to do the same think as my opponents did and pick some mages bot which seems to actualy confirm my assumpions. Picking something like syndra bot allowed me to simply click on enemy adc to score some easy gold, i diidnt run out of mana trying to farm and push the lane. all of this while i didnt have to worry that if i wont hoard gold like a madman ill fall out of relevance

37 Comments

JackMcCarry1/26/2020, 1:23:50 PM6 votes

Marksmen rely on their supports throughout the entire lane and midgame, and their team in late game.

Up until a few seasons ago, most supports were focused on team utility, shields, peeling and buffing, ever since Pyke and Senna tho, i see more and more supports just ditch the word "support" out of their role and just play 2nd assassin/marksmen.

We had this in earlier seasons too with mages, but even those Mages offered some forms of peel or utility (Annie AoE stun, Lux snare + slow + shield, Brand stun + slow after item 3116) But when i look at Senna , nothing about her tells me "okay, i can rely on her to have my back in a fight" because they 90% of the time dont, they build full lethality, use their Q to damage and ult to snipe kills, while not even sharing gold like pyke.

I guess it's fine, supports can play w/e they want, but they also need to realise that would usually mean their marksmen will be behind in match ups where the enemy marksmen has an actual support (Nautilus Leona Lulu etc..). Bonus points of your team has 0 tanks and all assassins/squishy fighters and hide behind you while taking objectives, then flame you when you the entire enemy team jumps on you, because even if you're 0-5-4 you'll be the easiest target in the game (excluding SOME marksmen).

LTK KoRo1/26/2020, 1:31:39 PM5 votes

quite franky a lot of the marksman champions seem completly unviable due to how easily it is to kill them right now

hmm maybe because if they weren't easily killable then they would mow down teams with fun and skillful ranged crit autos

2Charmnot2Charm1/26/2020, 2:27:28 PM4 votes

Adc depends on their supports to do well (especially in laning phase).

If your support is garage good luck.

Also do yourself a favor and perma ban Naut when playing adc.

ThunderCraft1/27/2020, 12:35:56 AM4 votes

its just you the subpar role is jg.

Disco Swiss1/26/2020, 3:41:44 PM3 votes

The only marksmen in my elo i ever see do well are the ones with some sort of mobility. Kaisa Ezreal Vayne

Even if an immobile but powerful adc gets fed in lane.. it's super underwhelming.

I personally dont know why anyone would play marksmen when champs like Zed Veigar Syndra Sett Vi Leblanc Kayn Katarina Nautilus Pyke Exist and have a built in "out play adc" button.

KlydeFrog1/26/2020, 5:06:52 PM3 votes

Just you

Glory971/26/2020, 1:20:08 PM3 votes

It's not just you. Adc is less impactfull overall. The nerf to duo-experience makes it harder for adc to hit their powerspike where they start becoming super impactfull. Additionally drake fights are more important than ever before.

Some high-elo players in korea currently play taliyah botlane very successfully. Just because it's a champion that is strong in early game.

Garson2111/26/2020, 10:41:11 PM3 votes

Yeah so when i choose in lobby ADC/TOP or ADC/JUNGLE i get ADC in maybe 3/10 For sure this role doesnt strong. And i forget that ppl arent even auto fill to support but top or jungle... hmmm interesting

GigglesO1/27/2020, 12:10:09 AM3 votes

One shotting is still too strong, which makes game, not just adc feel bad.

BONUS DMG 2NOOBS1/27/2020, 12:14:04 AM3 votes

Its just that mid is insanely OP in SoloQ (uncoordinated environment). Games are decided by better midlaner, jungler is now just a cannon minion post 3 minutes, and the game is over by 10 minutes. No chance for top lane or bot lane to influence the game. Only role worth playing is mid.

Sir Saltarin1/26/2020, 2:28:36 PM3 votes

ADC it's fine, neither great or horrible.

Just fine.

Worst JG Wins1/26/2020, 9:13:51 PM2 votes

Sub par as in worse then the solo lanes and support sure. Sub par is in actively bad? nah

Thefrostyviking1/26/2020, 2:22:43 PM2 votes

It´s not so much marksmen as a whole as it is specific ones being much better in this meta where engage supports like Leo are prominent.

Right now the most obvious winner in this situation is MF, she loves having a CC heavy champ sit on some target to keep them stuck so she can make it rain bullets without a care.

And it shows on her play,pick and even her banrates-

But others like Lucian, Jhin, Ashe and even Draven do not find this to be an unfavorable meta, they also like to have a support who does heavy engages that locks someone down for them.

Saezio1/26/2020, 2:59:22 PM2 votes

Are you complaining about Bot ROLE or marksman CLASS?

I am not sure I understand

ProphetOfDraven1/26/2020, 11:04:34 PM2 votes

ADC's depend too much on their team and their support to be effective in soloque tbh. Especially when 90% of solo que supports play champions without peel and even worse if they play another back line champion. God I hate when the support plays a ranged champion. Makes the game literally unplayable. Even if I'm mid it's tilting seeing a mage support on my team.

Communίst Ult1/27/2020, 3:31:45 AM1 votes

peeling doesnt even exist in current lol terminology... either the adc survives by himself or dies by himself even if its in the middle of a teamfight.

That's... bullshit. As long as you can position yourself well ofc.

I'm a Thresh, Ali, Rakan, Leo, Naut and Pyke main, and they all can provide just godlike peel/engage. For example Zed, Talon, Katarina, and most assasins simply can't do much vs these champs peel, and that's just a fact. Pyke also peels quite decent. If they're all dead, they can't touch ur adc, right? /s

Anyway you've got no idea how many times I've 2v8 with my adc by simply peeling them. item 3050 item 3190 item 3109 item 3107item 2065item 3222 also helps a lot. Don't forget that supports can body block most skillshots as well!

Based on my several years of experience as a support only player, this statement just seems... so wrong lol

You either have bad supports, "supports", but only by name, or you simply don't know how to position well

PopcornBunni1/27/2020, 3:50:12 PM1 votes

Just you. ADCs are still burst-per-second ranged assassins, now more than ever with how busted Energized items are. Their builds are also among the most flexible of any role, with entire items built around invalidating tanks and low-mobility juggernauts item 3153 item 3036 /item 3033 while still having three item slots for their burst damage.

The thigh guy1/27/2020, 3:55:22 PM1 votes

It’s because adc is less impactful. You don’t come online until the game is already over and you’re even more under leveled than normal with the Xp gutting.

Waaaarrrrgggghhh2/11/2020, 12:16:09 AM1 votes

I pick vayne so that my boosted bonobo support wont hold me back