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Can Heimerdinger be looked at?

Little Witchery·12/8/2019, 5:09:34 AM·54 votes·15,122 views

I'm going to preface this by saying I hate this champion and that he should be absolutely gutted.

Now, with my emotions out of the way, let me be serious and present statistics. According to U.GG, Heimerdinger has above a 50% winrate in 4 different lanes.

51.43% in Top. 52.57% in Mid. 52.59% in Bot. 52.23% in Support.

These winrates are all Platinum+. I don't know exactly what's contributing to his stellar performance across 4 roles, but from my personal experience, his turrets do entirely too much for him. In every lane, he simply afk pushes with the safety of 3 turrets around him (and movement speed around these turrets). Ganking him is almost as bad as ganking Illaoi, but he has kill pressure before level 6 and even after 6, it's still something to be wary of.

I'm not going to rant about what changes I think he needs because I honestly don't know. I just know that dealing with him is needlessly frustrating and killing his turrets seems unreasonably hard, especially by the time you can do it, he sets another one up for 20 mana.

70 Comments

Sir Saltarin12/8/2019, 12:05:41 PM22 votes

I'm going to preface this by saying I hate this champion and that he should be absolutely gutted.

Can't agree more.

Garson21112/8/2019, 10:48:04 AM22 votes

Menwile riot "lets nerf his ms -5 and wait a bit" we need much more data to nerf him...

Daddy Ants12/8/2019, 12:15:41 PM21 votes

Patch 9.19 is where Heimerdinger was over buffed.

V9.19

H-28G Evolution Turret Turret basic attack AP ratio increased to 35% AP from 30% AP.

H-28Q Apex Turret Turret basic attack AP ratio increased to 35% AP from 30% AP.

CH-2 Electron Storm Grenade Stun duration increased to 1.5 seconds from 1.25.

Godlzahar12/8/2019, 4:29:22 PM17 votes

Meanwhile heimerdinger turrets are tanky as fuck And malzahar minions get destroyed instantly.

I play heimerdinger many times too but still.

Imagine that before with malzahar i countered him and at this point i cant do anything against him anymore. Riot games at best.

Im Duke Nukem12/8/2019, 3:20:16 PM17 votes

Personally i think Heimerdinger’s turrets should get back a real mana cost like he did a really long time ago (before his rework) i played him a lot at that time and his turrets were like 100-120 mana to place if i remember correctly so you couldn’t just place them mindlessly .

Śhunpo12/8/2019, 2:20:04 PM12 votes

" I don't know exactly what's contributing to his stellar performance across 4 roles"

Conqueror, AP items being too good (and too homogenized), traditional supports not being as prevalent (allowing 2 mages to be run bot lane), his turrets giving him 1v3/2v3 potential, Stopwatch+Zhoyna's being too good of an item.

It's a combination of a lot of things, but tl;dr: AP champions+items are a balance nightmare and bot lane is no longer traditional due to damage being more beneficial than utility (why run Braum supp when you can just run Xerath or Brand and oneshot people as a support).

Demented Lemur12/8/2019, 7:21:26 PM10 votes

id would be ok with heimerdinger if destroying his turrets was actually helpful and made it so he couldnt just imediately put another down with no consequence that way you can aignificantly weaken him by killing his turrets. Kind of like yorick

Gammaflare12/8/2019, 5:44:50 PM5 votes

This one guy attempted to address heimerdinger on the boards, and a lot of people upvoted him, but about half the day later it got downvoted to hell in literally the span of 1 hour.

Heimerdinger mains amirite?

Pizza the Man12/8/2019, 6:12:32 PM4 votes

heimer on ur team is like a free win for enemy team what is this . aoe abilities kill his turrets in 1 hit. a darius with mercs alone will tank everything early game...
unreliable combo because his E is the shittiest abiltiy to land in the entire game. if he misses E its GG... like this is jusut nonsense.

we got constant roaming , hypermobile , 1 shot machines running rampant , and heimer is a problem? i think he needs a small kit tweak like they did for yuumi recently if anything

ChaosReyn12/8/2019, 3:25:42 PM4 votes

If they set his turrets up like Zyra plants (to die after x hits instead of being unnecessarily tanky for no reason) it'd be a little easier to counterplay him by focusing his zone. I think consistent counterplay is his main issue, and focusing on the overall health of his turret zone is probably a fair way to approach it. Without destroying the whole concept of Heimer and preserving the "break his zone defense to win" objective Riot wants, they should make it feel a little more rewarding to actually try to break that zone defense.

only zhule12/9/2019, 3:05:29 AM3 votes

I'm literally watching a game right now with a Heimerdinger . I'm watching him have 1 level in turret and those turrets surviving multiple attacks from enemies who are level 10+. His turrets are way to tanky. Also i don't believe he should be able to get conquerors off them, makes it way to easy to get stacks SUPER fast.

Sightless6612/9/2019, 4:17:18 AM3 votes

what's contributing to his stellar performance across 4 roles

"Stellar"? That seems like a bit of a stretch. His highest winrate, by your own data, is 52.9%. For a champion with a 6% playrate, that lands him on the good side of average.

I'll grant you the champion can be annoying, and he's certainly not bad, but his teamfighting difficulties and average-at-best scaling do keep him from being anything more than "good".

Enragedmonkey812/8/2019, 7:00:26 PM3 votes

He can definitely be frustrating to play against but usually its a knowledge issue , for example auto attack based abilities one shot turrets of even the most fed hiemer so if you don't know that you get poked out but if your smart you can clear all 3 very fast and early game they have a very long CD , he also has VERY swingy lanes , ether he crushes the lane , or he loses Hard depending on how the early game goes , with no escapes if he falls behind at all he just gets one shot all game doing mostly irrelevant damage by a large part of the cast , also to make early game MUCH easier you call your jungler to clear his 3 first turrets two v 1 he built up during the pre minion section , it costs him a TON of pressure and he can't contest with nothing but one turret kit and some autos

Garen is adopted12/9/2019, 12:54:42 AM3 votes

meanwhile if you pick anything ranged against him, he's absolute garbage, for ex, stop with your pyke one tricking and just pick fiddlesticks support if he's on bot, spam E on his turrets and that's like 90% of your win condition.

3TWarrior12/9/2019, 5:54:29 AM3 votes

what you neglect to mention is that heimerdinger also has 2% pick rate in every division, meaning he is 1 in 50 chances of being encountered

then, look at his stats compared to other champs

by tier category of champion strength, he is

#17 in top lane #15 in mid lane #8 as bot carry #unlisted as support

https://u.gg/lol/tier-list?role=top

Heimerdinger is always heimerdinger, but he's one of the least remarkable champs with all the problems that are around

KnightLakega12/9/2019, 11:33:16 AM3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Little Witchery,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uxEOBPnW,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-08T05:09:34.253+0000)

I'm going to preface this by saying I hate this champion and that he should be absolutely gutted.

Now, with my emotions out of the way, let me be serious and present statistics. According to U.GG, Heimerdinger has above a 50% winrate in 4 different lanes.

51.43% in Top. 52.57% in Mid. 52.59% in Bot. 52.23% in Support.

These winrates are all Platinum+. I don't know exactly what's contributing to his stellar performance across 4 roles, but from my personal experience, his turrets do entirely too much for him. In every lane, he simply afk pushes with the safety of 3 turrets around him (and movement speed around these turrets). Ganking him is almost as bad as ganking Illaoi, but he has kill pressure before level 6 and even after 6, it's still something to be wary of.

I'm not going to rant about what changes I think he needs because I honestly don't know. I just know that dealing with him is needlessly frustrating and killing his turrets seems unreasonably hard, especially by the time you can do it, he sets another one up for 20 mana.

Having been playing against hiemer alot lately, it's purely his buff he got..

He can literally slam his face against his keyboard with his cursor on me, and 70% of my hp is just gone, and that's before the turrets get their shots in...

Playing akali against him was a nightmare. A champ that should theoretically be able to play around him, but can't. Because of his insane mobility around his turrets, the fact the turrets each do 10% of my hp (that's 30% nearly every second being taken out), and he can just slam his stun down right ontop of me with no risk of missing it..

if I play safe, he can just keep shooting his long range skillshot at me and keep slamming turrets down in my face, holding his stun again if I try to engage.

He's an insanely safe champ with extreme AP ratio's early game that make him impossible to fight.

The heimer I fought against missed 70% of his skillshots but still kept me at around 30% hp despite whiffing almost all of his shots, if I tried to go in on him (this is when I should of been able to punish him with everything on cd), again his movement speed around his turrets coupled with the damage they do just shreds me.

This is why he's a literal god in every lane.

  • Extreme safety
  • Great utility (Stuns, ontop of an asinine arsenal of long range ability, and mobility boosts)
  • Extreme damage

TO make matters worse, even if you do outplay him, his turrets continue to fire for several seconds after he's dead... Which to me is complete and utter garbage.

vgamedude12/9/2019, 6:10:42 PM2 votes

Look at his pick rates. If he gets nerfed while Ashe and MF sit at similar winrates and insane pickrates it will just be even more riot adc bias.

Heimer isn't broken at all.

Pandemic Punch12/9/2019, 2:27:45 AM2 votes

I liked Heimer before his skillshots made his turrets shoot beams at you

Hayaishi212/9/2019, 6:59:28 PM2 votes

Back when the balance team cared about game health Heimer would've been gutted but i'm pretty sure some of the balance team members abuse him and that's why he hasn"t seen a nerf in over a year of being an autowin in bot lane.

hellfigure34052/2/2020, 7:30:17 PM1 votes

his game play is so unintuitive he just presses q then afks

his turrets farm kill take tower agro there is no reason they should be able to do that and have such success whilst champions that take years to learn are nerfed to shit whilst this fucker wins lane by pressing q and gets buffed

Sora Omo12/9/2019, 4:27:01 PM1 votes

The moment I read the title of this post I began chuckling. I agree the champion is strong but he probably shouldn't be gutted. Overall I'd say Heimerdinger is fine with the exception of his turrets. The turrets are to powerful and almost completely remove a lot of the skill expression that's in his kit. Turret agro should be refined more for Heimerdingers turrets with clear agro indicators that make players far more aware of what makes the turrets agro them. It's probably not all that unreasonable to lower the turrets range and make the HP more reasonable to kill in the early game.