Why don't we take Sion's old ultimate and put it on Aatrox?

Ill Darkistino·4/19/2015, 3:32:18 AM·104 votes·5,668 views

With a few modifications, basically make Massacre heal allies in a large range for a percent of Aaatrox's damage dealt. Or let him share the heal/damage from his W procs. Thoughts?

54 Comments

AbsoluteSadman4/19/2015, 4:30:05 AM20 votes

Im waiting for the patrick meme

n810m4/19/2015, 3:59:22 AM15 votes

Cool idea actually. Kinda thematic too since he inspires people to keep on fighting, plus as a bonus it would fit the tank meta right now with the whole dragged out fights thing.

Teridax684/19/2015, 7:35:48 AM10 votes

It would mesh pretty well thematically, but Sion's old ultimate was pretty terrible in terms of gameplay. On AD Sion, it made combat with him impossible, which meant the only response to his steroid was to stay away from him for the next 12 seconds. Old Sion was only allowed to have that kind of steroid in the first place because he was slow and extremely kiteable, yet Aatrox is far more mobile. The AoE heal would help bring out Aatrox's theme as the embodiment of war, but it was low on visibility and practicality on old Sion, so I don't think it would be the best implementation. I agree that Aatrox needs an ultimate that empowers his team in combat, but I don't think old Sion's ultimate is the way to go.

Drakylon4/19/2015, 7:04:07 PM5 votes

Cannibalism was one of the strongest steroids in the game. +45% attack speed and +100% lifesteal, and heals your allies for half of all damage you deal. An Aatrox that gets to attack with this on simply does not die until he's cc-locked and bursted down. Which isn't a very good counter, since you've just wasted likely most of your team's CC and quite a bit of burst on a champion that revives when he dies.

Dies to Wolves4/19/2015, 5:49:43 AM4 votes

thematically awesme

Shield Villain4/19/2015, 4:16:05 AM3 votes

Honestly I think it would be a better fit if it were changed to be more like Shyvana 's ult Where he leaps over a small range, dealing damage, and goes into a transformarion. Maybe make it so that it crashes into people, and drags them? Similar to Poppy 's E. but more as an AOE like Gnar 's ult. Also, it would be nice to get some AD scaling in there, or even just an Animation change so Aatrox looks more powerful. I was never really a fan of him just taking flight and swinging further. It felt lazy in terms of Ults with Major buffs/transformations.

LatetotheRace4/19/2015, 5:21:09 AM3 votes

He has the current ult he does, to balance him out. If you were to give him massive lifesteal ontop of his already high sustain, and not to mention the damage. Aatrox has a very high dps especially for a melee, and his current rival would probably be nocturne. I personally think it's unnecessary, and he's fine the way he is. Don't believe me? Check out the higher teirs, when someone plays him, they wreck.

Dr Poro4/19/2015, 7:27:56 PM3 votes

Oh I thought you meant giving him 100% lifesteal which would be a terrible idea... But this is actually quite great. (You should mention "part of Sion's old ult" as most people think about the MASSIVE lifesteal he used to get)

This would definitely make Aatrox more of a team oriented character and increase his (currently underwhelming) power in teamfights without making him stronger in a 1v1 situation. I LOVE this idea!

Cansema4/19/2015, 8:47:39 PM3 votes

wait... Riot didnt delete Aatrox ... because i cant remember the last time i saw him.

vIbvdOwbko4/19/2015, 4:34:32 AM2 votes

His entire kit design seemed like it was thought up and created in 2 hours.

Really, really generic kit. The thing is that, with such a nice well-rounded, generic kit, he ended up being so reliable and effective in many situations.

It'll be harder to balance Aatrox without just reworking an ability of his. Preferably his ultimate. I don't mind the damage being low since the rest of his kit has great CC, mobility, sustain, and damage.

DoFr4/19/2015, 2:48:52 PM2 votes

YOU GET A HEAL, THEY GET A HEAL, EVERYBODY GETS A HEAL

I APPROVE

ChaoticPinecone4/19/2015, 6:15:28 AM2 votes

the only thing that didnt make AD sion broken pre-rework was he could be kited. his stun had what, 550 range? then he had to run up to you. not sure , but it might be too strong on aatrox, who has a slow and gapcloser to get to you (especially if you keep the added range on his ult). and he would have like double heal abilities, which might be a bit too much.

but aatrox needs some love

TotalJerk4/20/2015, 3:52:21 PM1 votes

Instead of giving his teammates lifesteal/spell vamp or healing them for the damage he does, how about we make nearby allies heal for amount over time every time they do damage? Something akin to item 3151 or item 3715.

ShaftyMegee4/21/2015, 12:03:57 AM1 votes

Have him shine like Taric

OyddAWqJ5r4/19/2015, 10:43:50 AM1 votes

What if while Massacre is active only Blood Price heals all surrounding allies an amount equal to the ability's cost?

That way he can sustain his team when the enemy isn't focusing him but he can switch to self preservation if need be. So he can choose between self heal or team heal (in a Soraka-esque wrist-slitting way).

Because simply having self and AoE heal seems to be oppressive when ahead. That said, Aatrox is a generally snowbally champion, which is something moreso about his kit that needs to be fixed.

terkmc4/19/2015, 12:04:42 PM1 votes

I mean he inspire his allies, not do the fighting for them, why not just give his ult an aura that gives lifesteal and spell vamp to every thing in the area

largefish4/19/2015, 2:44:23 PM1 votes

I wish aatrox would be turned into a buff tank/ bruiser

Mecha MaIphite4/19/2015, 3:45:42 PM1 votes

Giving them life seems kind of weird for someone who's supposed to enrage and inspire them to fight. Why not have it be an aura that gives his allies certain offensive bonuses?

TwoD4/19/2015, 6:48:16 PM1 votes

Aatrox's ult is fine, it's his survivability and immobility that's really bad as the match goes on.

Lord Graves III4/19/2015, 7:04:41 PM1 votes

That......a really neat idea.

Upvoted for discussion this is neat.

The Bíg Ticket4/19/2015, 10:58:30 PM1 votes

Cause that ultimate was incredibly broken vs anyone who couldnt run away from him.

A Miss Fortune4/20/2015, 12:37:45 AM1 votes

Why don't we take Sion current ultimate

And make it Soraka new ultimate

Imagine it

Freljordan4/20/2015, 12:48:32 AM1 votes

minus the 100% lifesteal part but yesh

Sentinel9474/20/2015, 3:10:42 AM1 votes

I main Aatrox, I like him just the way he is.

Baron Perenolde4/20/2015, 4:42:25 AM1 votes

I like it!