I can never carry as Mid [6.6]

Profitex·4/5/2016, 5:09:47 PM·2 votes·1,197 views

So, I'm a low elo mid laner and I usually do really well in lane; my farm is good, I can get 2 or 3 kills on the enemy mid laner and not die and I sometimes roam to other lanes. I normally play Malzahar, Yasuo, LB and Viktor. However, I always find that I can never carry as I always die so fast and in teamfights I can't do enough damage, People say mid lane has the most influence but I even if I'm 3 levels ahead, I can never take out the enemy tanky top laner or even their tanky jungler. It just seems as if the top laners have so much more influence.

Also, sometimes I don't know how to get fed if my lane opponent plays safe under tower, there is no way to kill them: especially when the enemy top lane gets fed off my aggressive allied top laner who over-extends too much, what am I meant to do?

Please, someone tell me what I'm doing wrong :(

14 Comments

xdeviltwinkiex4/5/2016, 5:15:36 PM1 votes

So you can't kill tanks huh, are you building armor pen on yasuo at all, or magic pen on LB, malz, or viktor? They are tanks they are meant to soak up damage that's why you don't focus them in team fights.

ArcWalrus4/5/2016, 5:20:09 PM1 votes

As an adc main, I know your pain. So, to start with, you need to know how to position. As I'm only silver 3 currently, I have issues with this too. If you are playing LB, you need to be ready to shoot your q, jump in and jump out ASAP if its a team fight. Otherwise, it should be easy to get a kill and get out, as LB is a burst assassin. Vik and Malz are a little different. With them, you need to stay in the backline and hope to the rito gods that your team will cover you. If they don't, you need to reposition, either that or scramble. You should never ever ever ever ever EVER be the front line with a mage/assassin, which covers most mid laners. Your job is to poke or just burst and get out, like with Zed. To talk about how to "get fed" if the enemy mid laner is playing safe under tower, just focus on last hitting. This is good for two reasons: first, you will not be as prone to ganks, and second, the enemy might accidentally push, leaving him open for a kill by you.

TL;DR- Focus on your positioning, which is a common problem among low elo players, and try only last hitting if the enemy is a safer player.

Stiv12344/5/2016, 5:21:28 PM1 votes

Well, that depends on the champ youre playing.

As Malzahar, you want to bully your opponent as much as you can, push him into tower so that he loses farm, and if possible, gank other lanes with your ult so that you can get your teammates fed too (carrying alone is pretty hard even though Malz has insane AP Scalings).

As Yasuo, you will want to snowball early on and then proceed to steamroll over their team, or, if you can't win your lane, push it out and roam again. Once you get a few kills, you should be shredding squishies and tankies alike.

As LeBlanc, your primary job is to piss off your opponent as much as you can, put him behind and ideally roam bot to get your ADC fed. Once that is done, you can just help him pick up kills using your burst and snare.

Viktor can carry a game on his own if you play him properly, he simply wrecks teamfights with his W, E and R. He has an easy time farming and great burst, but you gotta be careful because you have no escapes and youre squishy as fuck.

Generally, keep an eye on your positioning if you realize youre dying a lot. Also, you don't even have to burst their tanks down; thats your ADCs job mostly, you just need to help him (peel for him with your CC) doing that. You, for the most part, should focus on getting right onto their Carries and kill them before they can kill you, or if you have enough AoE (the likes of Annie Orianna Zyra ), try to catch as many people as possible with your skills.

SSJTribe4/5/2016, 5:37:58 PM1 votes

So, I'm no Malzahar player, but l looked up dome of your recent games to see that's mostly who you're playing. So here's some general tips from what I saw.

Kill participation: 37% So on average you're only involved (getting a kill or assist) on 37% or your teams total kills. As the mid laner, you are shooting for a MINIMUM 50%. I also main mid lane and just looked myself up as a comparison and I'm at 53%. Basically you are the center of the map, able to help other lanes out easily just because of where you are. Try to do it more often.

Damage deal to champions: I think having a higher kill participation might help you with this but anyway: you are usually the 3rd highest damage output on your team, mostly only beating out your support, and jungler (who is in the jungle and not fighting champions most of the time.)

I can't help a ton without watching but it seems like you may be reluctant to actually fight enemies. Again, as mid you should try to have the highest damage dealt, or at least 2nd MAYBE under your ADC. Again, helping your other lanes more often might help this but it's something to be on the lookout for.

Hope this helps.

The Deckowner4/5/2016, 5:41:46 PM1 votes

u r playing malz lb yasuo and u can murder a tank? what do ubuild

Lycanoon4/5/2016, 5:45:27 PM1 votes

Twitch 'nuff said!

Can carry mid and any attempts to be ganked or poked from behind are negated with stealth after you wreck the enemy. When you get your ULT, the fun begins.

mike in the box4/5/2016, 5:50:25 PM1 votes

With out looking at your games I'm guessing that you need better map movement.

It don't matter how well you do in lane, once laning phase ends you need to go where the action is and not just farm waves. Group, hangout with your tank, go take towers or something.

in short you need to turn your early game advantage in to objectives. Objectives win games.

Sariat14/5/2016, 6:58:58 PM1 votes

1: You're playing very high skillcap champs that are very play-based in nature. Try playing more mechanical champs like Annie or Lux: these champs also bring reliable forms of CC, which seems to be the main problem with your mains.

2: "Sometimes roam to other lanes" Unless you are a hard tower pusher, then you should ALWAYS gank other lanes.

3: If they are freezing the lane just before their tower and they are a little behind you, then its time to spread your influence. Go gank botlane: they are much squishier in general and have less escapes. You talk a lot about toplane, don't bother ganking toplane unless they're really pushed in.

4: For me in teamfights, as a midlaner, I'm always at the fight early setting up wards and getting a good position, but I don't actually start fighting until one of three things has happened. First: their tanks have already used their cc abilities and most of the large ultimates have already been used. Second: I am in a good position to take out the AD carry or a high priority target like a Soraka . Third: all of the opponents are low, and it's time for me to step in and clean up.

Now I'll give you some tips for each of your laners. Leblanc : Your goal is to delete either their midlaner or their ADC. Usually you'll want to be flanking the enemies and come up behind the ADC. Ignore the tanks, they aren't your concern in most fights. One strategy that I use for fights around dragon or baron is to walk around the pit with a sweeper and clear out the wards in their jungle. Then once the fight is about to start, you can walk around and get a good shot at their backline.

Viktor : Your goal is to deal as much aoe damage in a fight as possible. You'll be positioned behind your tanks and playing very safe. You'll want to try to contribute your gravity field to help your tanks out, you'll want to try to poke the backline with your laser, and you'll use you Q to help you run away from tanks. Don't try to use your empowered auto from the Q on any of their backline, you'll be too close if you do try that. Your ult should be used to chase the ADC: if the ADC is running away from your ult, then they aren't dealing any damage. Your ult in teamfights should be used primarily for zoning, not necessarily damage.

Malzahar : Your goal is to throw down your pool on the tank line, try to silence their midlaner or adc, and use your ult on their ADC or midlaner. You have the ability to take someone out of action for 3 seconds, so try to focus the most important champ. You can also use your ult to peel for your ADC if they have any assassins that are trying to dive your ADC.

Yasuo : You are a very squishy backline diver. This doesn't mean that you dive past the tanks though, you should either wait for a knockup on the backline to go in on them, or wait for their tanks to use their CC before you attempt to dash over them. Also, you should try to put your windwall between their ADC and your team. This can even be right in front of your tanks, so long as it forces their ADC to reposition, making them lose precious damage and forcing them into a position that puts them at more risk. You usually want to wait two or three seconds after the engage to go in, unless the engage is a knockup on the backline, courtesy of a Malphite or Alistar in which case you need to ult their ADC or Midlaner. You always want to make sure that there in someone with you if you are initiating with Yasuo, otherwise you'll just get focused.

Note: I haven't actually looked at any of your stats or such, this is just the advice that I would give anyone.

To sum it all up, from what you've told me, you rush into teamfights and you need to wait longer to enter fights, and need better positioning/vision control. You also need to know your priority targets and entrance times for each champ.