Bring Bans Back To ARAM (Poll)

Zraebiel·4/19/2019, 10:21:58 PM·94 votes·18,312 views

Having bans in ARAM was the best thing to happen since the mode came out. There have also been suggestions to open up all champions and allow bans (picked or random) and that seems like it would be good too. I don't know why they would remove the ability to ban because of a few complaints when it should be clear that more people than not want bans in ARAM. Regardless here is your opportunity to let Riot know with a poll. If you truly don't want bans say so, but if you are like what I think the majority is, please ask Riot to bring back bans to ARAM.

Edit 1:

I understand that this may not be super important even though at the time of this post I felt I should put it that way. If I could edit the poll I would change it to a simple yes and no instead of important, etc. Consider voting yes/no and ignore the 'this is very important' or 'this isn't necessary' bits.

Edit 2:

So, as of right now (4/22-3 days after post), and this post probably wont go much further, only 1/5th of players polled wants bans gone. 4 out of 5 players would like bans returned. I imagine this poll would probably not get any better for the players that want bans to stay gone. I imagine that most people disagree with the stand that Riot took and the reasoning behind why they are not returning ARAM bans.

Again, (and ill edit this in to the main post), the only way to fix ARAMs and not have bans is to:

  1. Remove re-rolls and champion swaps
  2. Unlock all champs for every lvl acount when you play an ARAM
  3. Remove the free champ pool for ARAMs because of #2
  4. If 1-3 are met then yes keep bans out of it otherwise bans should be left in

It promotes a more 'chill' environment to keep bans because you don't have to worry about playing against this or that champ.

74 Comments

Krofinn4/19/2019, 10:26:59 PM24 votes

I voted yes because I know they won't unlock all the champs for the gamemode, and there's a lot more variety with bans.

Lord Yunii4/19/2019, 11:11:42 PM10 votes

Bans in ARAM was absolutely the best thing they did for the mode since they turned it from a custom game into its own thing. Upvoted.

OneMustFall4/20/2019, 8:37:34 AM8 votes

Hell no. Bans do not belong in ARAM.

ArtumisPrime4/20/2019, 2:00:42 AM8 votes

I voted yes, but hate your wording. This isn't very important. I would love bans to come back to ARAM, but there are WWAAAAAAAYYYYY more pressing matters that need tending to.

ShadowGlaive2134/20/2019, 6:37:18 AM7 votes

The recurring arguments for keeping bans seem to be:

  1. X is OP.
  2. I don't like having to play around X champion mechanic.
  3. I don't want to play X champion.

Bans are not a good solution to balance issues, they're limited in scope and don't actually fix the champions' balance problem. Design decisions are not made around whether you simply like to do something or not. If it's lack of counterplay that's actually the issue then there are other routes Riot can explore to remedy it as they've demonstrated with new items and summoner spells. The Bench and re-rolls already enable players to avoid playing a specific champion if they roll them.

There also seems to be some misinformation getting propagated. ARAM accounts are not as effective as people make them out to be. Everyone's pool includes the current free rotation and the 2 that came before, so everyone is always rolling from an ever changing and unoptimized pool of at least 42. While they still influence games in their favor, it's not to the extent that a lot of players are touting in regards to guaranteeing rolls.

Furthermore there were more than just a few complaints voiced when Riot first mentioned that bans were coming, and complaints weren't the only reason for not keeping bans. Despite player claims of increased champion diversity, Riot data showed a decrease in diversity.

Riot made it clear that bans were experimental and they were here for 2 weeks, not just a few days, and just because they're gone it doesn't mean ARAM will never achieve a more balanced state. Keeping them until they find real solutions would cause even more players to get upset once they're removed simply because a power they liked and got used to having was taken away.

SirGankBotalot4/19/2019, 11:16:32 PM6 votes

I was over joyed when I heard that my favorite map mode was having bans. I though that was amazing and got a little respect back for Riot! Then they took the carrot away...

GodlyBane4/20/2019, 4:48:16 AM4 votes

ARAM accounts lookin pretty mad rn ngl

Lythe4/20/2019, 8:56:04 AM4 votes

Think for a moment, if you will, on the nature of the game mode stated by the name. A.R.A.M. which stands for All Random, All Mid.

It is the same as ARURF, All Random, Ultra-Rapid Fire.

Now, for me personally, I do not think that Bans should be part of the process in neither ARAM or ARURF, why? Because it takes the Random out of the game modes.

This essentially means that you are fundamentally changing the game mode, you are taking the chaotic nature of random away; you are giving the player control over what champions are to be taken out of the playable pool and given to players either on one team or the other and then again, you also have the chance of those characters not even being picked and given to one player or the other.

Now, there is an alternative to this, which could be quite fun to see. Randomized Bans, the same as random character select, except instead of the character being selected, that character is banned from that match. At the beginning of the character select process, each player would have a randomly generated ban selected for them.

This would, in effect, retain the random fashion of the game mode, because what is banned from that match is out of the player's hands. This would also ensure that certain champions aren't permanently banned from the mode, which makes it more fun for those that like to spam ARAM matches to pass the time, you get the variety of champions with a chance that one you prefer to play or really have fun with will make it through instead of being permanently benched.

NaughtyWord4/20/2019, 8:27:46 AM3 votes

Voted no, don't really see the point. I mostly banned Orianna so I didn't get stuck playing with that god awful champion.

Sageace4/21/2019, 3:47:41 PM3 votes

After being able to ban the top "abusable" ARAM champions so that you can see them less often, and thus deal with that frustration less often, ARAM became more DIVERSE, and thus more FUN AGAIN.

xxxliltrash 4/20/2019, 8:12:18 AM3 votes

No please don't bring back bans in aram, I enjoy facing teams with 2+ poke mages and only have 50% of my health by the time the first team fight starts. I enjoy playing against champions such as Vel'koz, Zyra, Vlad, Lux, and more because I enjoy a swift and quick death every time a get hit by a cc. I hate prolonged fights in aram where players can actually use their abilities before biting the dust. I want to be stuck under tower while pokemages punish me for being the bad summoner I am, only playing aram, even before blackwater bridge event. Please daddy Velkoz, hit me one more time, the pain hurts so good. It is the only motivation I have left to play lol. Please don't take that one thing away from me, my wife has already taken everything else.

DancingDinos4/21/2019, 3:24:50 AM3 votes

In my opinion, ARAM bans were a fantastic addition to the gamemode. Although there was the issue of the same set of champs being banned, those champions were the ones who were disgusting and game ruining in ARAM.

Zraebiel4/22/2019, 8:00:52 PM2 votes

So, as of right now, and this post probably wont go much further, only 1/5th of players polled wants bans gone. 4 out of 5 players would like bans returned. I imagine this poll would probably not get any better for the players that want bans to stay gone. I imagine that most people disagree with the stand that Riot took and the reasoning behind why they are not returning ARAM bans.

Again, (and ill edit this in to the main post), the only way to fix ARAMs and not have bans is to:

  1. Remove re-rolls and champion swaps
  2. Unlock all champs for every lvl acount when you play an ARAM
  3. Remove the free champ pool for ARAMs because of #2
  4. If 1-3 are met then yes keep bans out of it otherwise bans should be left in

It promotes a more 'chill' environment to keep bans because you don't have to worry about playing against this or that champ.

Psi214/20/2019, 2:03:09 PM2 votes

Highest MMR ARAM games have most commonly ARAM-Only accounts with the same open roster of champs; that all 5 man queue up.

You guys know they were abusing the bans right? That's right the Bans are exploitable.

Ban 5 of the champs you own or those on the 3 rotations and you increase your chances of getting the champs you want to play even more so than before the bans.

I can't believe there are this many people that don't know this?!?!

AceGeo4/20/2019, 2:39:37 PM2 votes

They had an entire discussion about it on the front page of the client. They discussed the pros and cons. You should read it. I agree with their argument.

Zraebiel4/20/2019, 6:48:46 PM2 votes

Based on what I see right now over 75% of the community would like bans returned to ARAMs. It would be cool to see if that changes much with a 1000+ votes. Keep it going guys and thank you for the input.

y0r1ck4/20/2019, 2:27:17 AM2 votes

Edit - I see someone has told you this before me. Please add something to your original post to clarify the poll so people like me can vote "yes" honestly. Because I'm with you I do want bans back, but it's not important to me.

Biased poll. Keep it as simple as possible to avoid fuckups like this:

No I don't think it's very important.

Yes I want bans back, it was way more fun with bans.

What do I pick? I will pick no it is not necessary, because that's the truth to me.

Ten Summer Suns4/21/2019, 2:15:36 AM1 votes

I voted no because the randomness of the selection makes getting OP champions feel really rewarding. Having bans in ARAM literally takes from what ARAM was meant to be. Maybe the solution is to have Ranked ARAM like people have proposed in the past, and in Ranked ARAM bans would be reasonable. But in "norms" let it have the chaos of complete randomness.