Why do you have to walk on eggshells with these people? Don't cuss them out but its ok to ask for a gank. In reality they should know who to gank based on the team comps. I see so many post that make it look like junglers arbitrarily gank lanes. OPPONENT didn't take flash but has built in escape/deterrent at level 6.... hmmm. What should I do as a jungler?
Junglers will gank when they see the possibility. I do jungle myself too, but I'm not gonna towerdive the enemy midlaner at Level 3 because my midlaner can't let the minions push a bit.
Alright, I'm going to clear up some misconceptions you have. First, it is not the junglers job to help you "win" lane. The junglers job is maximizing the gold advantage for his TEAM. Likewise, your job as a laner is not to "win" your lane. Your job is to maximize your gold advantage for the TEAM.
So how are those two things different? Let's say you are top lane and you are getting hardcore camped. Using your logic the jungler should come top lane and camp top lane as well. However, this is a very bad idea because the enemy top laner and jungler both have a gold advantage so they will most likely win the 2v2.
The correct choice is to maximize your team's gold and minimize the gold the enemy team gets. If you, as the top laner, can play defensively and "whether the storm" without giving the enemy team kills (even if you don't get much CS) then the enemy team will wind up losing gold because their jungler isn't efficiently farming both sides of his jungle. This will also result in the enemy jungler being under leveled which will make his ganks less impactful.
Meanwhile, your jungler can completely steal half the enemy jungler's camps, resulting in your jungler getting way far ahead in levels and gold. Your jungler can also exert a ton of pressure on mid and bot lanes as well as dragon. This pressure results in mid and bot outer towers going down which gives the entire team global gold.
So if you are getting camped or losing lane your job isn't to "win" the lane, your job is to minimize the amount of gold you give the other team. Essentially, your job becomes losing lane slower than your other lanes win their lane. Your team only has to win 2 out of the 3 lanes to win the game as long as the third lane doesn't feed too badly.
Stop trying to think in terms of "win" and "lose" and instead think in terms of gold. If you are getting camped you shouldn't be angry that your jungler isn't ganking your lane, you should be angry that he isn't counter jungling the enemy jungler or exerting pressure elsewhere on the map.
Don't be a jerk to them is all you need to do.
Ya... sorry but I don't usually listen to laners when they want ganks. Nine times out of ten the player doesnt play jungle and doesnt understand how the flow of ganking and farming works. It gets really annoying when the player is spam pinging me to gank top, yet all of my top side camps are cleared, drag is up, and bot lane is starting to push into us. Players dont look at the big scheme of things, and it would be a lot more worth if I DONT gank you.
Let the jungler do his thing. I will gank when it is a good time.
I usually tell the jungler whether I will want him to focus us or not beforehand in champ select like, "Hey, we're gonna be fine bot lane so you don't have to worry about us too much. Ping you're coming and we'll make it happen." Or like when I set up our yi because out adc graves got countered by a cait pick. I said, "We're gonna let them push lane and freeze by our bush to farm and make ganks easy if you can." Yi pinged every time he was coming and got at least one pick each time.
I have plenty of junglers who just don't gank UNLESS you ask for it. I had one who saw us pushed in all game under turret and when we asked why we never see him when we see their udyr 3 or 4 times and a mid lane roam he said, "Ask for it then," to which our adc went ballistic about how he needs to focus on not getting zone, still csing and not getting rekt by everyone coming bot while top and mid sit safe.
It's just like any other role in game. I once had someone flaming ME as suppor for not roaming mid when my adc was up against Leona/cait with a jungler babysitting while mid was pushed into tower. He was in a premade with top and jungle. DOn't know why he didn't ask any of the others he was playing with to help as well but I had a jhin without flash to worry about. (#Tariclovesthebeauty)
Some of the best (worst) ganks are the one where I play as Amumu. Riven kept spamming for help, so i decided to camp and forget jg for a min. I sit in bush. She pushes the wave to enemy tower ( bad at cs too). See enemy jg (Lee) coming from river and then goes towards him WAY out of reach of my Q.
What do I do? Well she dies becuz I couldn't reach her. It happens every now and then that laners expect jg to tower dive and gank !!!.
As a reasonable jg I will gank but if I see my ganks are being utilized ( focusing their CS instead of my ganks) then I'll not come back. Any laner not capable of using an opportunity is not worthy of ganks.
Not making an attempt or not to ping is one of the worst attitude. Every player has his build ( or tries) so stop asking why did he get Exhaust or ignite or TP. It's done so live with it and use the opportunity.
I love down votes. They get me rock hard.
i had this quinn mid against a lux and udyr jungler and bitched about how i never ganked her (which wasnt true i ganked her twice and both times was a waste of time)
then i started ganking top cuz toplane followed up and most of the time we would get a kill sometimes even a double.
we lost i ended with a 6/5/4 she ended 1/6/3
i get it bad game but she just HAD to bitch how i was a terrible jungler and everything AFTER THE GAME WAS LONG GONE she frikkin stalked me in chat for crying out loud.
im sorry every fukkin lane was losing i was helping the one that had the most chance at winning
so i did what i had to do
i told her and i tell OP as well
git gud.
don't rely on your jungler. rely on your own lane and win it.
Afk farming the jungle is the way to go, why do you think I play Udyr?
If I'm ever playing in a lane, the majority of the time I ping for assistance is when I'm about to get ganked or when my enemy laner is going to jump onto me. Some junglers don't understand how a counter works, which is what makes them bad at the game. If you're complaining about what the jungler is doing, don't worry about that. Your jungler is bad, move on. If you're complaining about your laners asking for ganks when it doesn't look gankable, you should be looking for a counter. If you want to help your laners without ganking, just take scuttle crabs and ward for them. Invade the enemy jungle and put wards down. There is more to jungling than getting objectives and ganking.
Well, that's not the role of a jungler. As a jungler, from the games I've watched, apparently your job is to farm every camp except the dragon and baron/herald, allow lanes to be lost due to the other jungler being much more on the ball than you are, and take buffs all the way to the end of the game to make sure your precious Devourer gets sated even as all lanes fall down around you.
Seriously I took up jungling during season 5 just because of how bad most junglers really are. If I see anybody on one team getting 2, 3 kills quickly that's the priority to take out, not to raze the chickens for the 5th time. The gold is ridiculous, the benefits are considerable, and you have no real opponent other than the enemy jungler who's more interested in killing your teammates than you. When people whine how hard it is to jungle and ping 15 times for help from two people to take out a Krug camp I just laugh. I'm able to solo that shit with Evelynn at level 1 and not die or cost people time to farm in lane because of something called being competent. If I can kill them at level 1 with Eve, anybody can, so people need to expect more from junglers, not let them ruin your experience. If they don't gank, and you die three times due to enemy ganks, leave lane so you don't feed. Simple as that, only way to make them get it.
