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Camille makes me feel like I, as a player, am not welcome in League anymore

Sadistic Cheese·11/22/2016, 2:24:21 PM·2 votes·2,524 views

This is probably going to seem stupid. Another rant by someone with no skill who's just QQing because he couldn't git gud.

But between the assassin updates, reworks, and just...general changes to the game, I...feel like someone like me who's low-skill and doesn't have the time or inclination to put in hundreds of hours to master one champion isn't welcome here anymore.

Everything's becoming a skillshot, reliable items are becoming more finnicky/weaker but with actives, assassins are....well, assassins....and now this.

When you flat-out say "yeah, you're gonna need to practice her otherwise you'll be bad." well, I appreciate the honestly and yes judging from her kit you are definitely NOT wrong, it just....it makes me feel like I'm not welcome in League anymore as someone who just...doesn't have a ton of skill but would like to play with friends and not be an anchor that drags them down.

So much of this game has become twitchy, reaction-time based stuff that I just...don't have anymore. The game is moving in that direction and while it's great because it makes league great to WATCH and to see other people do well at, at least for me, it doesn't make it fun to play.

"But you could play Annie or Volibear or Garen! There's easy champions out there!"

Yes Timmy, that's true. I could play those champions, but two thoughts occur to me:

1: if I do, someone will just play something with a higher skillcap that counters them and I'll probably be slaughtered, or

2: how long will they STAY that simple? Annie's already starting to make her way to the deeper end of the pool. Garen has always been spin2win, and Voli is Voli, but given how much whining I hear about how cheap and broken they are, I wonder how long they'll stay that way. (yet everyone seems to have FORGOTTEN about Yasuo and his CRIT AND SHIELD PASSIVE BULLSHIT....it's okay to be fed as soon as you get a Shiv and a Crit Cloak because muh skillcap...) It feels like anything that's simplistic yet effective gets cried about and nerfed, while anything that's broken as hell but attached to a high-skill kit/champion just...gets an automatic pass.

I want to be able to play with my friends, to be able to take a champion that DOESN'T require Mastery 7 to be halfway decent at, and at least try to pull my weight. I want to be able to go what the team NEEDS, not the one or two champions I'm kinda-sorta good at even though it destroys our comp, isn't what we need, and my comfort pick actually DETRACTS from our chances at victory.

"But you could just play Support! That's the role for no-skill scrubs, right?"

except what happens when you get TIRED OF BEING SUPPORT Timmy?

"um....git gud?"

....go sit in the corner before I beat you with a rabbid squirrel, Timmy.

The point (and the TL;DR I guess) is that Camille looks awesome, and I'm excited to see skilled players use her, but she feels like the final straw to me. The acknowledgement by Riot that low-skilled players should just go to HotS or something. It feels bad because I like this game, I want to play, either by myself or with friends, and I want to stand a decent chance of winning...I want to be able to play what my team needs, or what I would like to play, without needing a HUGE investment of time that I may or may not have. But more and more I feel like that idea is gone.

20 Comments

Sona Ping11/22/2016, 3:29:18 PM3 votes

I'm sorry. I really, REALLY, don't know where you are coming from with this.

Every change that I can think off has been a "dumbing down", simplify and removing elements and choices from the game. Every one.

From buffering commands, to reducing mental paperwork, showing camp timers and ability ranges, simplifying items, or the removal of smite rewards and so on. All the changes have been made to make the game more shallow and to reduce skill gap. And Camille is another example of this.

Ruloh11/22/2016, 3:48:02 PM3 votes

I empathize with you on that split pushing scenario as someone who has also suffered from that very same thing, and couldn't do shit to stop them. However, the game is designed to nearly always make the odds of winning a close 50/50. Losing is as inevitable as winning my friend, that's a fact everyone can agree on. And while I can also agree that the game tends to favor individual skill more often than not (pro plays excluded because they're in their own league), sometimes the highly skilled champions get overrun by teamwork as most high skillcap champions tend to excel in 1v1 scenarios. In that instance, even simple champions can thrive better than the more demanding ones because unlike simple champions, the complicated champions can screw themselves over just for missing that precious skillshot. Sometimes they even screw their teammates over for missing.

In short; don't give up. Accept the fact that this game is designed to set you up to fail at some point only to learn from your mistakes (if you've got the patience). If you don't have the patience, then I'm sorry, but you're suffering from a personal problem since the game provides you over 120+ options to be successful in whatever you want to try or exceed at. It just takes time.

However playing with people who're already much better at the game than you obviously won't help your matchmaking chances. You'd have a lot more luck finding even matches playing alone than with your buds. If you want to play with them, that's another thing you'll just have to accept.

legionnaire9911/22/2016, 2:29:25 PM2 votes

How is that a bad thing to have easy to pick up hard to master champions

ThugWalrus11/22/2016, 2:54:56 PM1 votes

There is still an abundance of mid to low level skill champs in League, so you still have options. And a lot of them can still hold their own against "skill" champs. Most of the difficulty in League comes from the game itself, not the champs.

The Sword Saint11/22/2016, 2:49:21 PM1 votes

Everything is relative. If you are playing with friends outside of your skill level and that skews the matchmaking that has nothing to do with champion design, otherwise I think you are worrying for nothing. Strategy and decision making is way more important than twitch skills in winning games of league, just don't expect to 1v1 someone who actually is good at mechanics because they deserve to win in that area due to specializing in that.

AttackOnTeemos11/22/2016, 2:37:37 PM1 votes

Or Low skilled players could just simply not do rank until they are good o-o Hmm?

midnight oil2411/22/2016, 4:17:39 PM1 votes

I don't like that riot feels the need to create these super mobile champs that can only be used by high skill players. It just means more people with god complexes. I got mocked by a yasuo one time because I was playing Tristana. He kept going on about how I was pathetic for picking a no skill champ. She does require skill, actually. Lot of timing needed. Just because a champ doesn't have 500 working parts doesn't mean they're not as fun or skill-oriented.

DeathBurst11/22/2016, 4:24:39 PM1 votes

TL;DR: Camille isn't indicative of any particular trend, and you can definitely still play LoL and enjoy it without a huge time investment. There are 130+ champs in this game, Camille isn't for you, but others will be.

"But you could play Annie or Volibear or Garen! There's easy champions out there!"

Yes Timmy, that's true. I could play those champions, but two thoughts occur to me:

1: if I do, someone will just play something with a higher skillcap that counters them and I'll probably be slaughtered,

Not really, no... At least, assuming the match-making does its job half-way decently, if you're really "low-skill", you should be matched against equally "low-skilled" opponents, and no matter the skill-cap of the OP champion they're using. You're not reaching the skill cap of a champion even as simple as Garen in Gold. I know it, that's how I reached Gold myself. Maybe you can't go higher than Plat or Diamond, but you'll worry about that later. You can definitely play this game and progress while sticking to simple champs (kind reminder that Gold is the top third of the Ranked player base, so that's not what you call "low-skill" anymore).

I want to be able to go what the team NEEDS, not the one or two champions I'm kinda-sorta good at even though it destroys our comp, isn't what we need, and my comfort pick actually DETRACTS from our chances at victory.

Your team needs you to know your champ well, what he can achieve, what are his limits, and it needs you to reliably perform game after game. If that's true, you'll never "detract" your team. Maybe you won't reach the very highest potential possible because your team comp is not perfectly well rounded, but from what you said, that's not what you were aiming for anyway. And until you reach a quite high ELO, decision making, focusing on objectives and consistency/reliability are much more important than how well you can combo.

"But you could just play Support! That's the role for no-skill scrubs, right?"

Hummm... no? Like, not at all?

Pandemic Punch11/22/2016, 4:26:18 PM1 votes

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