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A question for other junglers and a question for laners.

Fuh Queue·7/6/2017, 7:21:57 PM·2 votes·373 views

Hey everyone.

I've been thinking about league while at work today (clearly I have a problem or 6) and I wanted to ask you all a couple questions. One of them I'd like to ask other junglers like myself and the other is towards what laners expect from the jungler.

So first, question for my fellow jungle mains!

When every lane is winning or overextended, what do you use your time for? Do you look for dive potential? Do you try to find the enemy jungler? Do you ward for counter ganks? I always find myself farming in these situations and when the enemy jungler ganks, I get blamed for it. As soon as they die from a gank and see me off jerking it in the jungle, the flame starts. So, how do you guys deal with situations where every lane is hard shoved and the potential to gank is limited to counter/diving.

Question to laners!

When you have your lane hard shoved, and the enemy jungler hasn't showed yet, what do you expect of your jungler? Do you think he should be focused on dive potential in your lane? Should he be counter jungling and warding for you? Should he try to power farm to stay relevant?

Also, if you die to a gank when you were hard shoved, how much blame do you place on your own jungler for not being there to counter?

I'd like honest opinions here please. I think it's important for us to establish a good understanding of what we expect of each other in order to play together properly.

Thanks for reading, looking forward to the discussion that follows.

17 Comments

Kloqdq7/6/2017, 7:30:56 PM1 votes

I ward a lot or look for some cheeky dives. Sometimes invade. Other times it's just power farm to get into mid to late game. Really it depends on the time and what is happening. If I can counter gank I keep an eye out on that. If not, say they go top lane, I'll try for dragon.

Jungle can be a back and forth of what you do so I can't really say one straight answer. Just keep your eyes out and do what you think is best really.

Foxynth7/6/2017, 8:00:53 PM1 votes

I'm pretty much bottom of he barrel in terms of elo. what I've learned though is that unless you're duoQ with your jungler, and this is as a laner, you shouldn't expect anything from them. As an ahri main and some new tips and tricks I've been getting from friends and peers, I'm constantly harassing and pushing up, but I'm also OOM a good amount of the time during laning phase.

If you just show up expecting a follow up and I don't even have enough mana (or health) to cast a fox fire (which I think you should always be aware of, to see how reliable your laners will be when you gank) , then don't blame me if you get killed or lose out. If my jungler is like farming raptors or something and I get ganked and killed, yeah, I'm probably gonna be a little pissed because you were literally on the other side of the wall. If its a first clear or something or you're already low health, I'd be a little more lenient about it.

If all lanes are hard shoved, you essentially have control of your side of the map and a little extra, and I would take that time to extend vision in the enemy jungle so that your lanes can stay hard pushed and counter ganking becomes that much easier. It also makes it that much safer (And this is if your laners know how to back off when ganked) to steal jungle camps from the enemy jungler because now you know which side they're on, and you could either go for a counter gank or steal farm.

If your mid (or any) laner decides to roam, try holding lane for them. freeze or farm is up to you but it's free gold for you and you keep the pressure on that lane low.

Beas7ie7/6/2017, 8:22:15 PM1 votes

I'm in like Plastic 5 after a long hiatus and from most of my experiences in Jungle even before I left, I got matched with a lot of assholes.

One time in champ select I told my team to not overpush so I can gank and a teammate literally replied with "Fuck you, I'll push all I want". And then pushed pushed pushed where his enemy set up a nice freeze close to his tower so he could safely farm and get all his CS. At that point I was like "All right buddy, you're on your own" and then ignored that lane while he raged at me because I'm supposed to run up and safe him because he pushes like a maniac, gets ganked, does the same thing, and then feeds. And then you're somehow supposed to "carry" that crap.

Granted that was an extreme example, but in most of my games, I've made it clear that unless the enemy is like one or 2 hits away from death, I'm not ganking if they keep pushing to the point where we have to start with a tower dive. Nope, not happening. Most of the times they understand, but down at my level, most people still don't understand how to properly manage minion waves.

If your team DOES keep pushing and overextending, just keep farming the jungle or look to invade the enemy jungle. Also let your team know that you can't gank if they don't stop pushing.

Big Lincoln7/6/2017, 8:34:41 PM1 votes

as a jungler I usually spend free time clearing camps for gold and xp. I'll drop control wards when I back as well

as a top laner I don't want my jungle in my lane, waste of time unless they're counter ganking

ForFoxSakes7/6/2017, 8:51:22 PM1 votes

Jg main PoV.

If all your lanes are winning and you're just farming then you're in the wrong. When all those people are applying pressure and you're just farming then you're relieving pressure on them when their jungler is free to do whatever.

Anything from invading to take jungle camps, keep their jungler busy, take dragon/RH or even go to a lane to shove and take tower is more beneficial than just farming. You dont need to dive towers to have an impact.

For the laner section, the jungler should always be warding for their laners. Deep wards have more impact which you are in control of and have a much easier time to place than those in their lane. Jungler should be in the enemy jungle to prevent ganks or at least close by to countergank to keep letting your laners do what they're doing - winning.

If the laners are shoving blind without vision and get ganked then it's always the laner's fault

Turret diving is probably one of the lesser options too since it risks you and your laners dying and at the same time you're having shared exp and gold from the lanes when there's enemy camps and jungler for you to get gold off of. Also if your laners are shoving hard and you invade then need help then they're already close by

Sun Wu Ryuumoku7/6/2017, 9:15:08 PM1 votes

Im main top :

what's i wan't from my jungler is vision, i need to know where's the jungler. And when i 'm pressured i wan't my jungler to pressure the other side of the map (and give me vision^^).

As side job... Jungler. Im not a great jungler... just saying. When all my lane are winning i farm most of time and ward ennemy jungle... and sometime dive