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How your attitude can win you more games (LONG)

charge attack·8/4/2017, 4:29:35 PM·46 votes·2,209 views

Situation

Your Irelia top lane dies for the second time in lane at the 5 minute mark. So you very kindly suggest to her: "stop feeding so I can carry". Good advice.

2 minutes later

An ally has been slain

Your Irelia is now 0/3/0 and their Darius is 3/0/0 at the 7 minute mark.

"/all I love it when my top laner with gets absolutely shit on" HOLD UP!!

Now before you start flaming your top laner or go to boards and vent about how there are

"inters/feeders in every game I can't carry smh ritos matchmaking uneven I get retarded cumshit degenerates in every game"

why don't you take a second and think about WHY this happened.

Chronobreak to 3 minutes

Irelia goes in on Darius because Darius just missed his Q. She tries Eing him for the stun but he loses too much HP to her Q and by a sliver of health he doesn't get stunned. She needs to disengage, but its too late, she already got hit by his W. She flashes and Darius follow flashes, E > Q, and she dies to the bleed. Darius lives with a sliver of health.

Darius shoves in and now he's level 4 and Irelia's level 3. Both back and TP to lane. Irelia's jungler tells her to go on Darius as a bait. Suddenly they get counterganked and Irelia dies trying to bait and her jungler runs for his life. Bam, 0/2/0.

Suddenly she gets some very meaningful advice ("stop feeding idiot"), so she's very glad because she didn't think about that before. Now she just sits under tower and waits for the wave to crash. Suddenly there's a rustle in the bushes behind her... oh no, its Elise.

Bam, without flash she has no hope, she gets dove and they take first tower AND she loses 3 waves of XP. Now she's level 4 and Darius is levell 7. The game is over, Darius dives her as he pleases and is fine to take on a 2v1.

ALTERNATE REALITY

Chronobeak to 3 minutes

Irelia goes in on Darius because he just missed his Q. She Es him for the stun and starts walking up while autoing. He flashes and she instantly follows his flash for first blood. She shoves the wave into tower and now she's level 4 and Darius is level 3.

Both TP back to lane. Suddenly a wild Elise pops out of the brush trying to gank her, but wait, who is that running up from the river. Oh shit, its Kha'Zix. Irelia runs towards Kha and sidesteps Elise's cocoon. With Kha + Irelias CC and damage, they EASILY clean up Elise and Darius who chased too far into the river. Their mid laner who tried roaming to help Darius and Elise gets caught out by your mid Ekko and bam 3 kills instantly in your teams pocket.

After those kills they group and easily take mid tower, while a level 4 darius now has to lane against a Sheen+Tabis Irelia who's level 6. The game is over.

The Point

League is a game of moments, and on the boards I've seen over and over people saying things like "but my team mate fed this many times blah blah they're brainless how do I get matched with them etc". This is because not EVERYONE PLAYS THE GAME THE SAME WAY. That doesn't mean one player is better than the other, it means that you have BOTH ACHIEVED THE SAME ELO via different types of play.

Take two people in gold (me and my cousin, for example): I play the calm game - I generally have few deaths and a lot of CS (maybe not on this account, don't remember). I like to make rotations and control vision/go for towers. I however SUCK at team fighting, seriously, I'm so shit at target selection and I RARELY punish my opponent's mistakes. I ALWAYS respect people's roams because I ALWAYS roam.

Now take my cousin, also in gold. He CONSTANTLY shuts down his laner. It's not even funny how many games he'll go 10/0 by the 15 minute mark. However, he's VERY VERY aggressive. Some games he'll be 10/0, some games he'll be 0/5. Also the later the game goes, the worse it gets for him because he has REALLY good mechanics and teamfighting, but goes wayy too aggressive late game and can give up objectives to go for "big plays". He gets first blood like 90% of games, but if he doesn't he gets shit no because he keeps going overly aggressive trying to get a kill, and gets ganked so often its hard to count (and without kills he cant 2v1 like he normally does).

**Is one player better than the other? Nope. We are both in the same elo because we both are at the same skill level OVERALL. **

Do we both get flamed? YES. I get flamed for "being useless" while he gets flamed for "feeding" or "getting caught".

Pretty much, people have different playstyles, and EACH playstyle can be used to reach any Elo. Let me give a few examples of comparable players:

Faker vs Apdo

Faker relies on shitting all over his lane opponent and mechanically outplaying any ganks. He plays HYPER aggressive and it often works for him because he's very good overall. But he also has a lot of games where he feeds his ass off. **I know, even Faker himself feeds his ass off (even in competitive). **

Apdo on the other hand plays safe scaling champions. He plays the slow and steady game and makes good rotations and plays mind games with his opponent. He probably has better awareness of the enemy jungler and better rotations than Faker - but he's not as good mechanically and if his team loses the game too quickly he can't carry.

**BOTH players seamlessly hit Rank 1 challenger in Korea, with completely different playstyles. If I was Apdo would I flame Faker because he died twice in lane? No, because in the previous game his play style probably make him go 10/0 **

Nightblue3 vs Trick2g Both players generally hover around Diamond 1 - High masters/challenger. Trick2g 100% relies on rotational gameplay and focusing on drakes/baron/towers. He doesn't care about kills and rarely wants to teamfight. He just focuses on invading and shutting the opposing jungler down via counterjungling.

Nightblue3 on the other hand, EVEN when he's not smurfing, relies on getting tons of ganks off and just killing his opponents over and over. He understands lane matchups and times summoners, but he uses that information for more kills. These kills create pressure that Trick2g creates via split pushing.

Completely different play styles, but whos to say one is better than the other?

DISCLAIMER: The only time your team mates ACTUALLY hold you back is when you're challenger 1000 lp and Riot matches you with 300lp masters players against other 600lp challenger players. Pretty much its only uneven in very HIGH tiers of play where YOUR the person "boosting" your whole team's MMR.

So how do you win more games? By understanding that league is a game, that especially early, lies on a knife's edge, lets you think differently about your team mates. Maybe your team mate isn't feeding because "they're braindead", but maybe because they found themselves in a circumstance which was unforgiving.

So instead of looking to delegate blame out on your team mates, you can instead focus on trying to WIN the game - even if that means getting the "feeder" back into the game. Don't lose hope in your team mates and you won't get tilted.

**TL;DR: **Matchmaking is not uneven in 90% of games (under Diamond 3). League is a game of moments and one mistake/descision can change the WHOLE course of the game. Maybe if that descision went in a VERY SLIGHTLY different direction the whole game would be turned up on its head. Maybe the "feeder" would've carried if he didn't die the first time. Maybe the "hard carry" on their team will be the feeder the next game because their aggression doesn't pan out.

Some players are passive, and they are never "the feeder", but it also means they are never "the carry" either. Every player doesn't play your playstyle, and they've reached YOUR ELO with THEIR playstyle, so it means that your playstyle isn't inherently better than theirs.

57 Comments

BoilTheOil8/4/2017, 6:08:01 PM11 votes

how does darius have teleport ignite and flash

Lil DustMop8/4/2017, 5:08:34 PM5 votes

Weird, when im nice in chat they continue making mistakes, when i flame on the other hand they will int or play worse. When i just tell them to play safer then also int, i went from Bronze 1 to Silver 4 in 2 days, right when i reached silver 4 i got in games with newbies who just got out of placements or are still in them so they are dog sh!t from the start to finish making it quite unfair when you get them and the other team doesn't. It doesnt matter at Silver what your attitude is it depends on your comp and skill level. It may be different in higher elos but here it is just toxicity, people who just got out of bronze acting the best, and one or two people on each team carrying or trying to, everyone else feeds so it makes the carriers hard to focus on carrying and they start flaming, but the outcome wouldve been the same if the carry was nice.

Ahri a Stark8/5/2017, 1:39:32 AM5 votes

After years of playing League i came to one conclusion :

It doesn't matter if you are flaming or not. Wenn a player is a bad, he stays bad, doesn't matter how much you "encourage" him. It more often turns out he interprets it as humiliation .

AD champs only8/4/2017, 7:33:49 PM3 votes

I'll be honest with ya guys. Im a toxic piece of shit with 3 permabanned accs but 'good attitude' didn't work for me or anyone i know. If a player sucks a good word won't help him. I've climbed the more than 90% people with good attitude will climb in their lol carrier prolly. (not gold 3, dont look at this rank... also this acc is perma banned too so ye xd). And i wont stop flaming people who deserve it. If a player is 0/4 but i see he's good and knows stuff about the game then ye, imma say he's got a bad day. But if i see someone with 500+ games @ 49% winrate in a certain division i'll flame the hell out of him if he feeds anyone... Thats how it works.. My giant ego doesnt allow me to have a good attitude.

zxinferxz8/4/2017, 5:25:51 PM3 votes

Better yet: Mute team, even if they feed, because people always throw at lower ELOs, and people often redeem themselves even if they fed a lot in lane. Don't type anything to teammate if you plan to win, no matter the "advice" you have, it's most likely going to tilt them harder

i cant move wtf8/5/2017, 2:42:58 AM2 votes

While I agree with the overall message of this post (that flaming is useless and actually causes you to lose more) I disagree that all playstyles are equal. League is an extremely complicated game but it is still finite and therefore there is a theoretically optimal way to play every situation. Playing aggressive or conservative shouldn't be considered "playstyles" because they're not, they're responses to the context of the game. A complete player will utilize both tactics to win an advantage. Faker and Dopa might have nuances about their play that can distinguish them but they're both complete players and will be aggressive or conservative when the situation calls for it. When people play aggro when all signs point to retreat, they're a dumbass. And when a person is too reserved to engage a winning fight, they're also a dumbass. Both instances are frustrating to witness. But yeah, flaming is about as dumb as both of them combined.

IPromiseTomorrow8/4/2017, 8:37:47 PM2 votes

Very good post op.

I'll gladly take this into account :^)

Also +1 for the post

Tobias Brackner8/5/2017, 12:02:14 AM2 votes

This this this this this this this.

There is nothing to gain from flaming your team.

The Cane Master8/4/2017, 11:42:22 PM1 votes

Don't you think that tolerating others' mistakes makes you more tolerant to your own as well? In the long run not getting frustrated settles your brain to whatever elo you stay the most i.e. by not flaming teammates you accept the imperfection of mechanics/decision making which dooms your mentality towards peaking to whatever elo you actually have skill for.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku8/5/2017, 1:48:14 PM1 votes

"stop feeding so I can carry". Good advice.

not good.

Faker vs Apdo

Faker relies on shitting all over his lane opponent and mechanically outplaying any ganks. He plays HYPER aggressive and it often works for him because he's very good overall. But he also has a lot of games where he feeds his ass off. I know, even Faker himself feeds his ass off (even in competitive).

Apdo on the other hand plays safe scaling champions. He plays the slow and steady game and makes good rotations and plays mind games with his opponent. He probably has better awareness of the enemy jungler and better rotations than Faker - but he's not as good mechanically and if his team loses the game too quickly he can't carry.

Dopa don't play safe nor safe scaling champions. He play roaming champ. Thats why he hate play against faker due to mmr thing :

  • faker have better teamate
  • faker isn't killable
  • so he can't roam
  • due to mmr faker's mate are better and will rekt dopa's ones most of time.

TL;DR: Matchmaking is not uneven in 90% of games (under Diamond 3).

but these 10% are so tilting.

i agree it with ur message

Subdue8/5/2017, 3:14:12 PM1 votes

The general premise of your post is correct. However, I disagree with your example of good advice. "Stop feeding" is -NEVER- good advice because rarely is the person you're giving it to intentionally feeding. So it makes you feel better because you've offloaded the responsibility to someone else, but it does nothing for that person. Good advice might be "If you grab an early Ninja Tabi you'll have a better chance at surviving your lane." Or... "Try to pull your lane a bit because I need some space to gank." Or... "Vayne is sitting on half of our gold lead. Wait for her before we engage." If your "advice" doesn't have an action tied to it, it's not good advice and you should probably keep it to yourself.

Procul Impetus8/5/2017, 4:16:31 PM1 votes

NO your attitude has nothing to do with U climbing. Dont expect to go 0/10 and win the game.. thats just selfish According to your logic, there would be no bronzies or silver if you only climb with attitude Just git good, simple Its easy to get to gold+ I guess challenger got their place by attitude huh? No skills needed to get to high elo?

https://imgur.com/a/Nn0d5

(for those who will bs by asking what my tier is)

Lleajy8/5/2017, 5:26:04 PM1 votes

I try to keep calm but sometimes your whole team is just in openfeed-freekillanytimeifyoulike mod. Yes I'm in low elo ex-silver hell supp. I try my best everytime, I give advice, I try to prevent shit compo, even get insulted for that sometime.

DISCLAIMER: The only time your team mates ACTUALLY hold you back is when you're challenger 1000 lp and Riot matches you with 300lp masters players against other 600lp challenger players. Pretty much its only uneven in very HIGH tiers of play where YOUR the person "boosting" your whole team's MMR.

Nah, someone that doesn't look at his map, doesn't do their role job, just don't care about towers (meh who cares about these things right ?) ARE holding you back. There are people that engage in situation they are sure to lose, because they are either high, drunk, unaware of their mechanism, think they are godlike OR SIMPLY DON'T CARE. I had an ekko intentionally throw because the game wasn't fast enough "I'm bored". Really ? I mean I understand your POV, but you are living in a pink world from mine.

HaIlMonitor8/5/2017, 5:26:16 PM1 votes

It is surprising at how often when my friend and I duo, there are games we will be down 3 or 4 towers, and 10 kills at 20ish, and we win by 35.

Catastrophic8/5/2017, 10:54:13 PM1 votes

I just had a graves jungle against me, who told us to report his gragas top. Gragas was down 40 cs and had a kda of 0/3/1 in a 23 minute game. On the other hand, graves was up in CS (but mostly cause he farmed lanes a lot), and had a kda of 5/8/1. I don't know how he thought 5/8/1 is better than 0/3/1, I reported him for negative attitude and continued on with my life.

DemainaNyx8/6/2017, 3:28:25 AM1 votes

The message of "don't flame your teammates" is good advice, but your teammates can hold you back.

ADC solo pushing bot lane to tier 2 while support and jungle are taking drag. Assist ping goes down on ADC and then on Dragon. We take dragon, getting really low since no help from ADC, and ping danger on the ADC as we back. ADC types, "STFU stop pin" sees the 3 enemies closing around them, dies, then says, "Thanks Lulu. You got me killed."

Yep, totally not being held down by teammates.

I will agree that there are teammates that are just having a bad game or playing a different playstyle than your own, but if someone is pinging danger on you 10-30 seconds before you are ganked and you don't attempt to listen to the ping, you are sorta holding your team back.

Me telling Kennan, "you need to ward if you are that pushed up so we have time to react to them ganking you" and being told, "That's your fucking job Nami" is him holding us back.

Again, these don't happen all the time, but some teammates do make your job harder through how they are playing.