Does smurfing ruin low elo game

TheSevenCrimson·Sep 29, 2019·34 votes·16,127 views

Sorry if this offends anyone but I just wanna know the community opinion on smurfs in low elo does it ruin the game when one player can create such a difference in the game and not get punished for it. Cause the people at that rank are really trying hard to improve and get out while this person is holding them back in my opinion it seems really unfair and I know that people will laugh at me or ignore this but that's fine I just want to see how other people view this

139 Comments

TracyzDgDqFSep 29, 201919 votes

I mean yes because most people gold and below only go for kills while the smurf goes for turrets and objectives so they can't win unless they do the same thing. The snowballing off cs and that is enough to ruin low elo games. Even ap master yi can be won in silver elo if you play it 100!

TheSevenCrimsonSep 29, 20196 votes

I agree with you. Is there anyway you feel or think riot can make a system that recognizes Smurf accounts and put them in the elo that these players are playing at?

TracyzDgDqFSep 29, 20191 votes

They can use machine learning to place players playing like platinum smurfs to only face platinum players while being silver/bronze as an exception to their rank restriction rules so they would just go back on their mains if they dont want to climb again.

DamSonWhUFndThisSep 29, 20192 votes

there is negative pole of the magnet one example out of many:

new account goes ranked, wins all 10 games
HOWEVER: literally got carried in all 10 games and now starts to ruin others games unintentionaly by his skill being missjudged thx to matchmaking only looking at win loss ratio..

ChrisBrownzeSep 30, 20191 votes

Show me one new player, that deserved bronze/silver and won all 10 placement games solo. Theres literally thousands of dia+ smurfs that win 9 or 10 games and place in gold. 99% of the time it places people in the wrong starting rank.

DamSonWhUFndThisOct 5, 20191 votes

no it doesn't it's not suppost to place you in your previous but in position close to previous so you can reach the same rank again or higher

ChrisBrownzeOct 7, 20191 votes

Yes of course, it places you close to your rank. Diamond and gold are pretty close, practically no difference. #Nosarcasm*[slayer-jinx-wink]*

DamSonWhUFndThisOct 8, 20191 votes

placing players in diamond makes it literally "get in diamond and you will stay diamond forever" that is not ballanced and your rank decays overtime too, if you don't understand this concept you are delusional or lazy or both

Asijská Exotika Sep 30, 20192 votes

and on their way up the ladder they ruin other people experience. GG rito suck your own little dick

AlienPrimateSep 29, 20198 votes

They already have such a system called MMR. I have played with people who are in silver in my platinum games. Look at their match history and they have something like 90% win rate on 20 games with absurd KDA. The client already matches them with people way above their shown rank and gives them like +40 -10 for LP to quickly get them where they belong.

Hi im 12Sep 30, 20193 votes

rito literally made it 2x slower for smurfs to climb, they don't want to move them to the elo where they should be. Idk why but that's just how it is.

Z3SIeeperSep 30, 20194 votes

Eh it doesn't take that long. I can't pull up the daily/weekly cuz it's been too long. It didn't take a month I think it was like 2 weeks.

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Not condoning smurfing or anything. I didn't plan on it, my original account got banned cuz it was a bought account I've had since I started playing (RIP). Who reads ToS?

KnicNicksSep 30, 20191 votes

RIP Z3Sleeper :(

Z3SIeeperSep 30, 20193 votes

He was a good boy in the two years I knew him. I miss him :(

TrixsterSep 29, 201913 votes

Well dealing with a smurf is an extremely ufunny experience which really won't help you at all. I'm going to disagree with TracyzDgDqF since that's actually what most smurf don't do.

I mean yes because most people gold and below only go for kills while the smurf goes for turrets and objectives so they can't win unless they do the same thing. The snowballing off cs and that is enough to ruin low elo games. Even ap master yi can be won in silver elo if you play it 100!

The smurfs I meet usually hunt the kills like insane. Now why would that be? Well because they can, they're in lower elo so they can get away with having 20+ kills, do 0 objectives and carry the game. Quite ironically it's usually the enemy team who is forced to do objectives like insane and pray they won't get caught out by someone who is generally better at the game.

As for cs, I can't stress enough how goddamn cancerous is to lane against a smurf. Look I'm silver, my cs is far from perfect but I'm trying my best. Here this guy has 50 more cs then me in 15 mins purely because of the fact he is smurfing. I always love to see people on both teams having around 90 cs and here the enemy Zed sitts at 130+. Like how do you even lane againt that? How am I supposed to get better when the only thing I can do is to spread my cheeks and hope it will be fast?

2Charmnot2CharmSep 30, 20192 votes

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As for cs, I can't stress enough how goddamn cancerous is to lane against a smurf. Look I'm silver, my cs is far from perfect but I'm trying my best. Here this guy has 50 more cs then me in 15 mins purely because of the fact he is smurfing. I always love to see people on both teams having around 90 cs and here the enemy Zed sitts at 130+. Like how do you even lane againt that? How am I supposed to get better when the only thing I can do is to spread my cheeks and hope it will be fast?

Not trying to be rude but Zed is by far the easiest champion to CS with, just auto the minion when it's 1/3 hp left and Zed's passive will do the rest. It's hard to deny him CS without killing him or Permafreezing the wave on your side of the map.

And the skill level of the opponent doesn't matter too much since the smurf will get the same CS vs people of their real elo, unless they been counter picked hard. Although they might end the game with less CS than where they should be if they're in a elo where constant ARAM is a thing.

TrixsterSep 30, 20191 votes

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Not trying to be rude but Zed is by far the easiest champion to CS with, just auto the minion when it's 1/3 hp left and Zed's passive will do the rest. It's hard to deny him CS without killing him or Permafreezing the wave on your side of the map.

And the skill level of the opponent doesn't matter too much since the smurf will get the same CS vs people of their real elo, unless they been counter picked hard. Although they might end the game with less CS than where they should be if they're in a elo where constant ARAM is a thing.

Well that only makes it works when he is played by smurf doesn't it? I've never said I was the Zed, quite the opposite actually.

2Charmnot2CharmSep 30, 20192 votes

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Well that only makes it works when he is played by smurf doesn't it? I've never said I was the Zed, quite the opposite actually.

Never said you were the Zed.

CubanThund3rSep 30, 20193 votes

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As for cs, I can't stress enough how goddamn cancerous is to lane against a smurf. Look I'm silver, my cs is far from perfect but I'm trying my best. Here this guy has 50 more cs then me in 15 mins purely because of the fact he is smurfing. I always love to see people on both teams having around 90 cs and here the enemy Zed sitts at 130+. Like how do you even lane againt that? How am I supposed to get better when the only thing I can do is to spread my cheeks and hope it will be fast?

hit.. hit the cs. he isn't getting more cs because he's smurfing. he's getting more cs because he can cs well...

TrixsterSep 30, 20192 votes

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hit.. hit the cs. he isn't getting more cs because he's smurfing. he's getting more cs because he can cs well...

Yes and why can he cs better then all the players on both team? As I've said I'm trying, however a smurf will know how cs, manage lane and roam better then me. Telling me I should hit the cs.... what a useful advice.

Niggel WessomSep 30, 20191 votes

So then learn to manage the wave and punish him when he roams.... you clearly know what you're doing that gives him a lead and you're not doing it in return

TailsDoll Sep 30, 20193 votes

"Just get better" Yes he knows what the problem is, but his skills are not at the same level as the smurf, and its not like he is magically improve his CS skills in a single game, it takes time it takes practice, but if during that practice you face a lot of enemies who shouldnt be in that elo because they are leagues above the average player in that game that it makes the whole thing unfun. Even if you end up winning you know its not because you suddenly played better, it was because the whole team was focussed on killing "that" guy, and once they did the enemy team fell apart. Completely different from normal games

Niggel WessomSep 30, 20192 votes

Smurfing is not a problem and overwhelmingly the reason people complain about them is to have an excuse for why they cant climb. So again get better and smurfs wont be a problem.

TailsDoll Oct 1, 20191 votes

The only point where smurfs won't be a problem is when you are challenger 1 and you ARE the smurf. Hell, watch challengers smurfing in D1, the difference its enormous, now imagine a bronze vs a d1.

Niggel WessomOct 2, 20191 votes

You arent going to be playing with d1 players every game just play if you lose to a smurf and you win more than you lose it wont matter

TailsDoll Oct 3, 20191 votes

You are one dense motherfucker aren't you?

Niggel WessomOct 3, 20191 votes

smurfs will beat you most of the time but you're not playing against smurfs most of the time why is that so difficult for you to understand rofl

Crispy0SnakeSep 29, 20196 votes

It's accepted because you get as many smurfs on your team as the enemy team if you play a large amount of games

Edit for the 4/9 and 5/9 chance people that might not see my answer to this point:

Given you are not the smurf and there is exactly one smurf in the game, that's absolutely correct

I think you'd have to play an unplayable amount of games to show there's a significant difference, though, because the probability of a smurf filling one of those slots is already low

Say on average one in 5 games that you don't play has exactly one smurf in, that's 1/50 slots, 2% chance of having a smurf in a slot

Chance of a smurf in x of your slots is

4Cx×(0.02)^x×(0.98)^4-x

x=0, p=92.237% x=1, p=7.529% x=2, p=0.230% x=3, p=0.00314% x=4, p=0.000016%

Chance of smurf in y of enemy slots is

5Cy×(0.02)^y×(0.98)^5-y

y=0, p=90.392% y=1, p=9.224% y=2, p=0.376% y=3, p=0.00768% y=4, p=0.0000784% y=5, p=0.00000032%

Say you play 300 games, expect 23 games have one smurf on your team, 28 have one smurf on enemy team

5 games in 300, net, lost to smurfs, is close enough to 0 for me

DamSonWhUFndThisSep 29, 20196 votes

no? you can get bullshit like smurfstreaks, generaly bad players and the good old "bad games"

Ahri BakaSep 29, 20193 votes

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It's accepted because you get as many smurfs on your team as the enemy team if you play a large amount of games

This is not true , having smurfs on your team or enemy team isn't about percentages , it's pure luck which is why it's not okay

Crispy0SnakeSep 29, 20193 votes

Sure in a small amount of games you can get unlucky

In a large amount of games though, say more than 100, you'll find that you get almost as many smurfs on your team as on the enemy team

It's the law of large numbers

ThisName1sDumbSep 30, 20192 votes

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Sure in a small amount of games you can get unlucky

In a large amount of games though, say more than 100, you'll find that you get almost as many smurfs on your team as on the enemy team

It's the law of large numbers

In theory, assuming you're not a smurf, you'll get more smurfs on the enemy team because there's a chance any of the 5 enemies are smurfs, while there's only a chance that any of 4 players on your team are smurfs. Like, if you know there is one smurf in a game, and you're not the smurf, then there is a 4/9 chance the smurf is on your team and a 5/9 chance he's on the enemy team.

Luckily, this also applies to trolls/ inters, so assuming you're not a troll/ inter over a large quantity of games you should in theory encounter more trolls on the enemy team than your own.

ChrisBrownzeOct 1, 20191 votes

Cool math, except your base assumption is horribly off. You assume out of nowhere that you get one smurf every 5 games you only get 1 smurf.

Using your model, calculate the probability of having multiple smurfs in your game, multiple games in a row. (Its lottery levels of improbable) Yet Ive seen it happen on a regular basis. Hence either Im the (un)luckiest person in the world or the more realistic scenario, where the amount of smurfs playing is way, way, way, way, way, way, higher than what you carelessly assumed.

Crispy0SnakeOct 1, 20191 votes

I rarely see a smurf in my games, or clear evidence for a smurf at least. I always check my team's op.gg and porofessor in the loading screen and I rarely see smurfs. One in 5 games is accurate from my perspective. To you I'm a random player in that MMR, am I a smurf?

Maybe it's different on the NA server and having a 2nd account is common there

Also, I gave the odds 2%, what would you say the odds are?

ChrisBrownzeOct 1, 20191 votes

Maybe you just dont spot them? Looked at your three most recent ranked games. Enemy Mundo was smurfing in the first one. Enemy Nami is smurfing in the second one. Enemy J4 is a boosted acc in the third one and enemy Vayne is smurfing in the third one as well.

Crispy0SnakeOct 1, 20191 votes

If they were, they weren't good smurfs or on their main champions at least. That Nami and Vayne were so garbage, we went 3.5k gold up, what I would call a smurf, that should never happen to. Maybe they were just on low level 2nd accounts, their winrates in more than 10 games on a champ aren't phenomenal or anything

ScrubSTCSep 29, 20194 votes

I dont think it ruins it, I honestly think its needed to make the community better as a hole by having them face more skilled people.

The thigh guySep 30, 20192 votes

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I dont think it ruins it, I honestly think its needed to make the community better as a hole by having them face more skilled people.

How does getting shit stomped by someone entire divisions better than you, while you are suppose to be playing against people with roughly the same skill level of you make the community better?

ScrubSTCSep 30, 20192 votes

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How does getting shit stomped by someone entire divisions better than you, while you are suppose to be playing against people with roughly the same skill level of you make the community better?

A way to get better is to face people stronger than you, if I go against challenger tier players all my days of playing Im going to be challenger tier

The thigh guySep 30, 20193 votes

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A way to get better is to face people stronger than you, if I go against challenger tier players all my days of playing Im going to be challenger tier

That’s not true. Playing against people who are slightly better than you, is how you improve.

You can’t learn anything just getting raped into the ground by someone who is leagues better than you, because you can’t understand why they are beating you so badly.

Zed geniusSep 29, 20194 votes

While climbing from bronze 5 to diamond 5 all those years, I never had a problem with smurfs. In diamond though, if a smurf is there, their elo is like masters+, and the skill difference really shows there, although I have won many games versus smurfs and lost as many with them on my team. I wouldn't say it is a big problem, and it is definitely not the reason people don't climb, as some may suggest.

Metal JannaSep 30, 20194 votes

In reply to OP:

Absolutely yes. Not only are they intentionally/foreseeably creating unfair games just by queueing, they're usually huge toxic assholes because of the reasons they're doing the smurfing. Category 1 smurfs: "My main got banned/restricted". Category 2 smurfs: "I'm here to stomp noobs because i'm tilted from my last fair match". Category 3 smurfs: "I'm here to play with my noob friend from RL". Category 4 smurfs: "I'm here to try to try out/practice a different [Role][Itemization][Rune page].

Category 1-3 smurfs have a high likelihood of being toxic. Category 4 are about as toxic as the average player.

ChrisBrownzeSep 30, 20191 votes

Category 3 smurfs are boosters, yet Riot does nothing about it, even though boosting is against TOS.

WimbledofyOct 1, 20192 votes

Playing on someone else's account is against the TOS. Where in the TOS does it say you can't duo with someone below your skill level? Not saying you are wrong, but I just want to know.

Crescent DuskSep 30, 20193 votes

How do you propose smurfs be prevented? Not even IP bans would work, considering proxies.

Smurfs are here to stay, get over it.

SweedishGunnerSep 30, 20192 votes

If it's obvious an account is a smurf they should just start in higher elo. When someone goes 10/0 in their placements with KDA's above 10 it's quite obvious they aren't silver.

Crescent DuskSep 30, 20192 votes

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If it's obvious an account is a smurf they should just start in higher elo. When someone goes 10/0 in their placements with KDA's above 10 it's quite obvious they aren't silver.

Nothing is "obvious". Many assholes choose to try out Azir or another champion on placements or get autofilled adc/supp and that can translate into a massive snowball.

Same principle for top lane if you get jungle difference in a snowbally match up like an Irelia, Riven, Renekton, Mordekaiser or Darius. The way to fix smurfing is to reduce the abusable power gaps and snowballing capacity in the game.

Smurfs will still be able to win 1v1's against a bad laner but there won't be a massive item lead that the other team has to deal with. Heroes of the Storm already does this, power gaps are never as bad as LoL.

Problem is getting the people who play this game to smurf and 1v9 to accept this change for the health of a TEAM game.

I have a great time as Kha'Zix 2 shotting the enemy Xayah after killing the Diana, but I know it's not healthy for a game for me to have such massive leads because my enemy jungler or their adc was bad.

OneMustFallOct 1, 20192 votes

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If it's obvious an account is a smurf they should just start in higher elo. When someone goes 10/0 in their placements with KDA's above 10 it's quite obvious they aren't silver.

If they're playing that well, they're likely winning those matches. Which means they're not getting placed in Silver to start with.

5050BSSep 30, 20193 votes

Smurfing 100% RUINS the Rank system.

So say a Challenger player Smurfs into Diamond Rank. They Stomp Diamond players and true Diamond players are now losing LP and dropping in Rank. They get pissed off and so Smurf.

Diamond player Smurfs into Plat Rank. They Stomp Plat players and true Plat players are now losing LP and dropping in Rank. They get pissed off and so Smurf.

Plat player Smurfs into Silver Rank. They Stomp Silver players and true Silver players are now losing LP and dropping in Rank.

So What has happened is that Silver is now really Gold players trying to get back to gold (being shoved out by Plat players) and Plat smurfs.

This goes all the way back up the Ladder shifting the whole rank. The problem is that Silver players that could be low Gold are hard stuck. If they fall into Bronze they are basically Smurfing and can win but Silver is BLOATED with Gold, Plat and true Silver players.

See Riot LOVES this. They want AS MANY PLAYERS AS POSSIBLE to be in Silver.

Why? Because Gold 4 gives you a free skin each season and if you are trying to get that you are still playing the game.

MHallucinatioNSep 30, 20192 votes

the game still dont have mmr which is equal to zero for competitive games, Instead to balance the game and to make mmr RIOT is busy to make skins rofl