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CC VS NO CC, TEAM COMPS MATTER . NO CC = LOSE BY DEFAULT

S0LST0RMER·7/9/2017, 2:32:43 PM·52 votes·8,635 views

Getting tired of these no cc comp teams causing me to lose by default. People are still doing it in Platinum and Diamond elo. When i look at my match history, every single lost game, has been because of a no cc team, i kid you not, every single game.

If the top laner has no cc, jungle HAS to have cc, if the jungler has no cc, vice versa. Last 2 games i have lost the only player on our team with cc was our support thresh and nami. you just got to have it, you lose by default otherwise, if you have no cc who is gonna engage? who is gonna peel?, the support cant do both, why? well cooldowns thats why, and he's one person. when you play no cc vs cc, your team mates literally get cc'd and gunned down, simple, you just die without contributing anything.

I do not care if you manage a win with a shit comp, how many games you gonna lose before u get that one win, that was probably against the most boosted players ever.

This is league of legends not COD where u can literally pick anything and carry solo, players need to be educated on team comps, and why they matter. i can only afford one dodge a day and sadly enough players love losing the game before it even starts too often.

preparation matters, "YOU EITHER WIN OR LOSE THE MATCH BEFORE YOU STEP ON COURT" highlights the importance of mental and pre game preparation, something my tennis coach said when i was younger but it still applies to league

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I've never won a game because some mid laner's cc was so overwhelming it won us the game. Maybe the damage but not the cc.

you really think the mid laner or adc's shit cc can peel your entire team? wtf u gonna do once it expires if its an ult? how u people expecting an ashe or varus ult to peel your entire team for the duration of a team fight, i dont get it.

overwhelming cc vs very little cc

who is gonna win?

you really only need to watch a high elo streamer, and at some point they will talk about team comps, dekar does it alot! they will explain why they matter, they will explain how u can win with shit comps, but its very much a gamble because you have to play a certain way, and hope the enemy team fuck up alot, 2 conditions, that both have to happen together.

in tennis they say you play your

best: 25% of the time average: 50% of the time worst: 25% of the time

we want to work on the big juicy average, thats where all the games are, you can win those small percent of games with shit comps, but you literally have to play off your nuts and for the other team to be so clueless. why make games harder for yourself?

play well + shit comp = good play well + good comp = better

learn team comps, make games easier for yourself

the title should be renamed overwhelming cc vs underwhelming cc

because people are getting confused and trying to say an adc or mid laner can peel your entire team

134 Comments

BerylCrab7/9/2017, 4:32:01 PM54 votes

What i'm seeing as i read this post - I play ADC or MID and I like to play champions with no CC and I want someone else to blame for my losses.

RocketRelm7/9/2017, 3:20:22 PM33 votes

The mid laner can also bring CC. Let's not pretend this is only the responsibility of Top/Jung.

TimX24968B7/9/2017, 5:39:26 PM19 votes

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCfEkyQWYAIgaTM.jpg:large

Crede7777/9/2017, 2:36:18 PM7 votes

Yep. If Jungler does not have CC, top needs to.

Likewise, if you are support, build a sightstone. Doesn't matter if you're playing Brand. It's the most gold efficient route and vision (no, yellow trinkets are not enough) wins games.

There's room for innovation and breaking the mold in league. That said, there are certain things where if you don't build them then you're just wrong. Going ss on support is one of them.

Menkhor7/10/2017, 1:10:17 AM4 votes

This is pretty much exactly why Lux is by far my most successful midlaner.

She brings the hurt AND the CC. :D

l Dárius l7/10/2017, 4:07:25 AM4 votes

i feel like the game shouldnt be determined by what champs you want to play

Okamikazi7/10/2017, 5:46:37 AM4 votes

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This is league of legends not COD where u can literally pick anything and carry solo, players need to be educated on team comps, and why they matter. i can only afford one dodge a day and sadly enough players love losing the game before it even starts too often.

preparation matters, "YOU EITHER WIN OR LOSE THE MATCH BEFORE YOU STEP ON COURT" highlights the importance of mental and pre game preparation, something my tennis coach said when i was younger but it still applies to league

I feel ya man. I spent many hours educating myself and I keep getting teamed up with those that dont. Keep seeing the same mistakes over and over. It completely undermines the whole notion of getting better. I would feel better if my rank was determined by more than just wins and losses.

Avarist7/9/2017, 4:56:53 PM4 votes

Yes, drafting a good team comp does matter.

No, people in solo queue do not care.

Morgan le Fey7/9/2017, 5:00:31 PM3 votes

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Getting tired of these no cc comp teams causing me to lose by default. People are still doing it in Platinum and Diamond elo. When i look at my match history, every single lost game, has been because of a no cc team, i kid you not, every single game.

if you have no cc who is gonna engage? who is gonna peel?, the support cant do both, why? well cooldowns thats why, and he's one person.

Thank you. <3

Really, it's strange how many people expect supports to solo tank while they play Yasuo, Master Yi, Zed, and Vayne. With a couple notable exceptions, we're not really good engage tanks to begin with. We generally have amazing CC, but we go in, engage for you, and immediately die, leaving the squishies with absolutely no defenses what-so-ever. Besides, we might actually want to play our own champions, most of whom aren't Alistar or Leona.

I do not care if you manage a win with a shit comp, how many games you gonna lose before u get that one win, that was probably against the most boosted players ever.

Again, thank you. <3

Same thing applies to warding. I get so many people telling me "lol, y so pro, u don't need to ward, we beat you with wards". Yes, but outplaying my team early-game and snowballing does not mean that we couldn't've come back simply because we could see you and you couldn't see us. We totally could've! We didn't, but you had no idea we could see that baron attempt, or that we knew you were all running around jungle for no clear reason while we pushed waves out. If we weren't so behind, your split-pusher without vision would've been dead many times over. All it'd take to fix that is a sightstone. But no - they won, so clearly vision isn't necessary. >.>

This is league of legends not COD where u can literally pick anything and carry solo, players need to be educated on team comps, and why they matter. i can only afford one dodge a day and sadly enough players love losing the game before it even starts too often.

preparation matters, &quot;YOU EITHER WIN OR LOSE THE MATCH BEFORE YOU STEP ON COURT&quot; highlights the importance of mental and pre game preparation, something my tennis coach said when i was younger but it still applies to league

Yep! This. Comps are a big deal, and knowing what comps are strong into what enemies or in what elos is a big deal. For instance, in bronze/silver, wombo comps are almost always the way to go. vs. Tryndamere or Fiora, you want mountains of map control to prevent them from splitting - maybe a Quinn or Shen top, with a Nocturne jungle, a TF or Galio mid, or a TK bot. If they pick up Kog'Maw, you're gonna want a strong assassin with good escape to burst the mess out of the annoying little puppy. If they have Xerath, take some anti-siege (Soraka?) and either get good picks or force fights. Stuff like that is really important to consider before you even start.

Also consider what they might pick in response to your picks. If you go Thresh, they're probably going to take Morgana support. Use that! Maybe you want to take the off-meta AD Thresh top to trick them into going Ezreal/Morgana, then go for a Sivir/Braum bot to shut them down. Perhaps you want to bait out a Yi jungle - take a squishy who looks like a jungler and an immobile ADC early, then pick your Rammus/Malphite counter once they've gone Yi. A lot of that is harder to do in solo queue, and honestly it's pretty unreliable in low elo (outside of the Morgana counterpicking Thresh - pretty much any real support is gonna do that), but it's still worth knowing it's a thing.

On a related note, the pregame + mental game thing is why it's so important to take a break when you're tilty or frustrated, even if you don't want to. The "one more game" thing is actually a big problem. If you lose two games in a row - or play one game that's just really frustrating or demoralizing - just walk away for a while. You can play again later. Keep playing now, and you're sabotaging your own mental game, and potentially your team's morale too.

Tangy Citrus7/10/2017, 2:45:47 AM3 votes

'top has to go tank or we lose' 'top needs to have big cc or we lose' Tired af of the other 3 roles forcing top/jg to play a certain champion type. Had quite a few games where the team screamed in pre-game 'gg, instant lose' and the likes because i picked my main riven. Then i proceeded to snowball like crazy and we won pretty easily despite them having 2 tanks and us 0. Would we have won without a snowball? Who cares, we won anyways.

No flash no life7/9/2017, 10:42:38 PM2 votes

While I agree for the most part, there are exceptions such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeevhumAE-M.

So I'd say it depends on your enemy team comp and uh, how good your team is? lul

Itsbeghdev7/9/2017, 4:26:04 PM2 votes

In some situations a team comp can pull off having no engage, or no peel, but never both! Utility wins games even when beyond that you have some CC your comp is completely incoherent in what it's trying to accomplish, because if you have CC, you still have the tools to accomplish at least some of it.

RottedApples7/9/2017, 10:01:43 PM2 votes

so wheres your CC?

even adc's can bring cc, lets not make this a specifically top/jungler issue here.

SFHFWill7/10/2017, 12:29:15 AM2 votes

If your team comp doesn't have a lot or any CC, doesn't mean it's an auto lost. You have a 1/3/1 comp that forces picks and split fights around the map. A team with no CC means that they make up with that weakness with a crap ton of damage. That means faster Barons, faster Drakes and faster turrets dropping.

I hate to tell you this, but CC heavy teams want and NEED to team fight to win. Teams with no CC can rotate and play the map to win and focus on skirmishing.

There are plenty of teams that I've been part of that have no CC and win by split pushing and basically annoy the other team to death.

hhaavviikk7/10/2017, 5:04:59 PM2 votes

sums up my ARAM games but it's worse there.

oh enemy has katarina and yi? enjoy having 0 forms of hard CC in your team

oh your team has katarina or yi? too bad the enemy has 8 forms of hard CC and you got 0.

Zelulose4/6/2019, 2:14:58 AM1 votes

This is why they need more blunt cc counters so that a team of full cc without an adc will lose unable to win by default. Thus teams will put more strategy into their picks.

BLACK REALM GOD7/10/2017, 7:33:19 AM1 votes

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preparation matters, &quot;YOU EITHER WIN OR LOSE THE MATCH BEFORE YOU STEP ON COURT&quot; highlights the importance of mental and pre game preparation, something my tennis coach said when i was younger but it still applies to league

i dont know if you realize this or not, but you took your coaches words and warped them into something disgusting.

"preparation matters" means in tennis you have to exercise and learn angles and the right amount of pressure that's required to make the ball do what you want it to. your brain doesnt automatically know how much effort to put into the racket and if you're knocking balls out of the court because of too much topspin or failing to double bounce the ball in the right area how are you going to win?

if you sit on your butt never exercising and never learning how to hold your tennis racket then when your turn comes up you're going to lose because you werent prepared. then there's the mental state. if you dont think you're going to win you'll lose motivation to try to win and give up before the match is over.

the proper equivalent of that would be to not assume you're going to lose just because you dont have crowd control and to train yourself to be the best insert champion's name here so that you can carry your team. you didnt learn anything from your coach apparently.