On a scale from 1-10, how critical is it to ward?

FiddlerOnTheRift·12/16/2018, 11:10:54 PM·1 votes·1,698 views

Fellas, I've been getting some hate for saying that because I had no vision I died. Now, to some degree I understand that I can't have vision everywhere on the map, but I do think that the places that should be warded relentlessly aren't (tribushes, river bushes, and when you need to crossroad jungle wards). Whenever I say "I have no vision guys, I'll stay back" or "I thought he was the only one there, I didn't see anyone because it wasn't warded," I get mad ridicule.

Some respond with "we can't ward everywhere","Why couldn't you ward it?", and "Just because I'm support it doesn't mean I have to get a sightstone item." These responses have the same answers to them, but I can assure you that these responses aren't coming from players who try to ward well.

Anyways, on a scale from 1-10 how critical is it to ward and why? Where are the best place to ward?

18 Comments

FrozenFrostFyre12/16/2018, 11:28:25 PM3 votes

it's about a fucking 11/10.

you want vision on jungle camps(if possible) because they provide a TON of information. river bushes are pretty bad spots since they are "last second wards" and should only be resorted to if you are being shoved in most the time in which case vision matters less for you anyways.

Here's the three situations you get from warding jungle camps:

you see the camp DOWN/dead and know the jungler is probably rotating toward the other side of the jungle. or has less of a reason to still be on that side of the jungle.
you see the camp UP/alive and you know it's likely they will be roaming toward that side of the jungle.
you see the jungle doing the camp and get good information for not only yourself but your entire team and know to play much safer in the next 1-2mins. you also get to see which direct they walk in while leaving the camp.

specifically on blue side you can place a ward inbetween blue and grump to see both at the same time. placing a ward on redbuff/golems is good too*but some lower elo players might not go golems so much so behind redbuff might be better) then the skuttles in river in a spot where you can also see dragon/rift is pretty good too but lower priority than on a actual camp.

MankeyMadness12/16/2018, 11:36:43 PM2 votes

Like a 14. Supports kept not buying sightstone so the baked it into your gold item so you HAVE to. Unfortunately riot has enabled kids to not buy gold income items by not making it a bannable offense. At least ranked, in normals I dont care much. Unless they have a Rengar or some such

Deep Terror Nami12/16/2018, 11:22:51 PM2 votes

Drop a ward, save a life! You also need to work on paying attention to the minimap and using pings to alert teammates of danger you see that they may not (and pay attention to their pings as well). Lack of vision and tunnelvision is the number one cause of being ganked!

While there are optimum spots for dropping wards, if it is very unsafe to get there you may have to compromise and ward where it is safer to do so, and regain control from there.

iiGazeii12/16/2018, 11:53:55 PM2 votes

10/10

There are two types of wards you should be placing: warning wards and deep wards.

Warning wards are the ones you place to give you last-minute notice of a gank. You'll usually place these in bushes near the lane that are touching the river and other entrances to your lane. You'll probably be placing these down the most often. Sometimes, you'll need to place down wards in the grass within the lane, such as when facing a hook enemy like Blitzcrank or Pyke. These wards will save your life by giving you precious seconds to back up before the jungler hops out of the grass.

The second, and the most powerful, are deep wards. These wards are placed further along the river or in the enemy jungle. They not only let you know when an enemy is coming to gank, but helps your other teammates track the jungler's movements around the map. These are the ones placed right outside the enemy raptor camp, blue and red buff, or in the bits of grass that skirt the the inside wall on the opposite side of the river from the raptor camp. You need to have lane priority in order to push these safely, i.e., you need to have shoved the wave into the tower before you can go place them, but they let you know when it's safe to push up or when you need to back off.

Kai Guy12/16/2018, 11:32:42 PM1 votes

10/10 when you have the opportunity. 0/10 if it results in loss of objectives, SS, Lives. Map awareness + Warding is the way to go. No need to risk SS trying to ward when your playing from behind, your better off staying in lane and freezing. Move up get tri warded (top,bot) or jungle entrances (side bushes are nice for mid lane, but better river vision is better for teammates and gives more time to react to enemy roam/jungle. Personal preference, take it as an oppenion if you wish.) How ever dying for vision and losing obj defeats the point.

Tldr. Ward smart. Spamming wards for vision score is worse then putting out good wards less frequently. Supports should always upgrade to t2, you can skip t3. Rest of team should snag a red ward from time to time as well.

Dope Solo12/16/2018, 11:44:31 PM1 votes

How dumb is your team? ie. How likely is it they walk/chase where they have no vision?

FiddlerOnTheRift12/17/2018, 12:13:31 AM1 votes

What I've noticed is that the players who don't ward often are either the ones too busy getting kills are the ones being killed. There isn't really a between for them. If they're winning, they are likely to be less humble and fail to recognize any "master" (a Hegel reference to freedom and independence). If they're feeding, they fail to ward either because they've given up mentally, lack of opportunity, and/or not knowing where to. The reason why I mention not knowing where to specifically for these champs is because they're usually an easy target and warding can only do so much for them if they warded lane/river bush or the lane tribush. The only benefit I see it for is for your jungler or laner at that point and you might as well become a support/utility-like player until you can get back on your feet.

I think warding the tribush for the lanes is a must with a pink ward, and depending on how your opponent plays you should ward the river brush for camps or the lane brush just to be safer.

DarkLordArbitur12/17/2018, 12:19:54 AM1 votes

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Just because I'm support it doesn't mean I have to get a sightstone item.

No, support. You are stupid. Shut up and get a warding item so that your team isn't face checking every bush on the map.

SwiftKitten8812/17/2018, 12:26:37 AM1 votes

10... especially in lower elo. where u know your teammates wont..

im still pissed about the removal of trackers..

Ozag the Mighty12/17/2018, 2:39:15 AM1 votes

Over 9000

thaBeast12/17/2018, 3:51:45 AM1 votes

7 warding is important but it's useless if you either know where the enemy is and will be at all times or you have no map awareness but I like to ward around jungle camps River bush and drag/baron

Woodakoodashooda12/17/2018, 2:28:27 PM1 votes

If you've no vision near where you are standing then you're putting yourself at risk and your chances of winning at jeopardy. A brush, no matter how small, can conceal an entire enemy team. Just because you don't think something is there does not mean something is not there. You cannot simply assume you are safe at any point in the match.

"I've no wards" is not an excuse to run into an area blind and alone. "I have been warding" is not an excuse to run into an area blind and alone. "It's everyone's job to ward" is not an excuse to run into an area blind and alone.

"I thought he/she/they..." is an assumption on your part and leads to a bad time.

If, at any point in the match, you have 2 trinket charges, you are not warding enough. If you do not have a red down somewhere on the map then get one and put it down somewhere on the map. There are few reasons why you shouldn't have a red ward down.

It's late game and you've reached full build, preventing you from purchasing a red ward.
The ward you placed down was destroyed and you are occupied with farming (safely), capturing an objective (safely), or engaged in a fight (you are 100% certain will end in your favor).
You just don't have the 75 gold for a ward because that gold went towards completing a core item for your champion.

Warlord Rhinark12/17/2018, 2:40:04 PM1 votes

9, if not a 10.

Pentakill Kat12/16/2018, 11:16:31 PM1 votes

10/10 important to ward lmao, it's important for any role if you're top and split pushing you should have a blue trinket/pink the enemy jg, if you're laning pinking the scuttle bush is a huge help to scout their jg, so many other things but I'm too lazy to explain why it's important to have vision of the players when half the map is fogged out

Taswell12/17/2018, 2:43:54 PM1 votes

wards win games

Bliss Ocean12/16/2018, 11:21:42 PM1 votes

10 But don't die for wards on the enemy side if your team isnt pushing the enemy laners back. Warding area's are pretty much the same for most matchs(you can search for a warding guide map that shows the most helpful warding spots).

The thigh guy12/16/2018, 11:23:43 PM1 votes

Depends who you ask. If you ask a player you’ll get a 10/10

If you ask riot they’ll say like 3/10 seeing as they keep hitting vision.

MagicFlyingLlama12/16/2018, 11:29:50 PM1 votes

Yes

Warding is a team effort, you ward your bush, then flame your team because they dont ward theirs.

Vision is also a strategy game - you can usually guess where someone could be, based on where they are not. Always ping brief views of a wandering jungler or roaming laner so people can keep track of them.