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I feel Aatrox’s new ult is poor design

Ralanr·6/12/2018, 5:11:50 PM·44 votes·17,194 views

Mainly in that I see no real downside to using it beyond accidentally pressing the R button out of a fight. Fearing minions alone allows you to dive into a trade without worrying about minion aggro, but I can accept this.

What I can’t understand is why he gets to reposition himself as he’s resurrecting himself. The inherent weakness of revive abilities is that your position can screw you over (Anivia, Sion, GA) as everyone can either get away from you or sit on your back with a gun to your head ready to double tap. But Aatrox gets to position himself from what I’m seeing.

I’m also not a fan of his resurrection coming online when he dies in ult. That just means his ult is a basic get out of jail card for escaping. Now I’m probably sounding a bit hypocritical as a Sion main here, but it feels like that defeats the purpose of his ult. Hell, I’d argue his ult is going to be used more as a defensive spell then an offensive one. At least Sion uses his ult for engages like 48% of the time.

Also, don’t understand why his E needs to give him AD.

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Nevrankroaton6/12/2018, 5:21:46 PM14 votes

It is difficult to judge a champion kit without any number.

Maybe his health regen is weak. Maybe his base AD or AD growth is weak. Does he have strong base armor? Good MS? Good health growth?

How much does he gain in term of Free AD? How does he scale? Total AD? Bonus AD? How strong is the regen? And what about his CD?

It is easy to talk about his ult being a poor design (and I don't disagree on him moving while reviving is weird, again it is easy to fix/remove) but I rather talk about him when PBE is up so we can REALLY see how far up he is.

Novalas6/14/2018, 1:30:10 AM11 votes

Aatrox' ultimate is a high moment for him. He's supposed to go in, go ham, and eventually die (and resurrect). In testing, we found that the revive actually felt awful because he ended up being countered by something like Caitlyn cupcakes and Zilean bombs. We decided to introduce movement during his resurrection to address some of the playing as pangs as well as encourage potentially going deeper into a fight as he comes back up.

His ultimate can function as an escape tool, yes, but it's a relatively long cooldown early game and does provide a 20% tAD steroid. It actually feels fairly bad when it gets used this way I'm doubtful it'll be used more consistently as a defensive spell than an offensive spell because of the sheer damage increase on the Qs.

As for why his E gives him AD, it encourages utilizing the Q in conjunction with E, shifts the E to a more aggressive spell (rather than a defensive spell where you hold it for when you need to escape), and makes trading patterns more interesting for him when his Q is on CD.

Power Cosmic6/12/2018, 8:27:03 PM6 votes

The new Aatrox is not Aatrox, idk why they didnt just make a new champ.

Ignika D6/12/2018, 6:08:17 PM6 votes

aatrox is a juggernaut give him two dashes and movement speed ulti [slayer-jinx-wink]

Clayblob26/12/2018, 6:15:33 PM5 votes

I love aaotroxes new ult, because now i decide wether to die instead of people baiitng out my resurect

Aaotroxes biggest problem used to be kiting , high mobility champs running away, having to flash to dodge cc, and having no escape once he went all balls in. Now tell me. Have riot solved this problem?.

The nerf they gave aaotrox was his percent missing health healing, and they replaced it with regular healing

I played aaotrox since 2013, and i always knew aaotrox was broken. Thats why i was apart of the 1% of aaotrox mains out thier. Aaotrox always wanted to be the champ jumping in the middle of the battle, absorbing damage and dishing it right back

What you call op. I call a regular day of league. Any movement speed Bonus passive plus two stacked dashes makes me happy as an aaotrox player

Summonah123696/12/2018, 7:58:59 PM4 votes

Yeah, reminds me of Swain's ult.

ssj8Brolykugeta6/12/2018, 9:22:29 PM4 votes

Lmao there was and still probably is a bug that allowed aatrox to auto someone in passive. I think instead of changing it they just let aatrox reposition in his ult.

In the trailer aatrox is saying he is immortal so think of it more like you still have to kill him twice.

It’s like a video game where you thought you killed the boss but he has a second face and his revival animation is also an invisibility frame. Just use he time to run away from him or reposition yourself.

Teridax686/12/2018, 10:49:30 PM3 votes

I'm really not a fan of Aatrox's new kit in general. His Q just feels like someone wanted to do a more interactive version of Riven's Q (which I doubt will be all that interactive when Aatrox players figure out how to juggle with it), the innate and W mostly punish immobile, defensive champions and not much else, the E AD steroid feels unnecessary, and the ult steroid also has a bunch of stat boosts, including an AD steroids that overlaps with E. I do think there is some gameplay to the resurrection, as the intent seems to be to have Aatrox power up, then rez himself later on, with any sort of instant rez being fairly weak in comparison, but none of this really feels like what I expected out of an Aatrox update.

Dllesh6/12/2018, 5:26:53 PM2 votes

commenting on a design change without actually mentioning the design change is frustrating to me, there are so many changes constantly going on, people talk about a change like everyone knows what they are talking about, or are in their headspace...

please mention how it was before the change, whats changing, and then go on to explain your feels about the situation

just my 2 cents since i think any colored name should be held to the standards of what makes a good discussion since you stand out by your vry difference

Akali is SO HOT6/12/2018, 10:15:35 PM2 votes

Where does it say he can reposition while resurrecting

Meep Man6/12/2018, 8:43:03 PM1 votes

Reminder that his ultimate also increases his damage dealt and the ultimate ENDS when he revives, so it's similar to a Swain style ultimate to where the enemy just has to know it's coming and they will likely initiate with it (use it at the start of a fight).

At least Sion uses his ult for engages like 48% of the time.

That's not majority of the time. It's kind of sad that Sion's ultimate isn't used closer to double that amount as an engage to be honest.