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The Pyke nerfs that are about to hit are a bit too harsh

Always angry tbh·6/25/2019, 11:53:53 PM·3 votes·1,736 views

Hey everyone,

I get that a lot of people aren't a big fan of Pyke and I 100% agree that him being able to solo lane is a problem. I've stated from the moment this started happening that his passive healing was the main problem. It allows him to just clear waves and harass his laner without caring about possible punishment in a 1v1 scenario. This allows him to easily get ahead and be nearly impossible to deal with in favorable scenarios.

HOWEVER, Not allowing his E to damage minions means you will have a hard time helping your ADC shove after a good fight in the bot lane. His Q, already being bad for clearing now being completely unable to hit multiple targets makes this even worse.

On top of that, the fact that you can't slow multiple targets with your Q to E out or have a better chance of stunning all of them is actually a HUGE nerf, too. And to top it off they also reduced the stab damage. For changes that are supposed to hit solo Pyke, these all affect support Pyke way too much. And why nerf the stab damage? That's not even a hit specifically towards solo Pyke.

When I read the notes I felt really confused. It seems like Riot just gave up and threw in whatever nerfs will guarantee Pyke no longer being a viable solo-lane pick. How about they actually fix the problem: His passive?

10 Comments

Hotarµ6/26/2019, 1:44:10 AM4 votes

When I read the notes I felt really confused. It seems like Riot just gave up and threw in whatever nerfs will guarantee Pyke no longer being a viable solo-lane pick. How about they actually fix the problem: His passive?

Nerf passive = hurts solo and support Pyke Nerf ultimate = hurts solo and support Pyke Nerf any aspect of his kit other than his waveclear = hurts solo and support Pyke

This was the only change they could have gone with that wouldn't gimp support Pyke. If they were to rework his passive that's a different story altogether.

deadmendontlie6/26/2019, 12:15:40 AM2 votes

All they needed to do to balance out pyke is literally just the passive change they are doing with the amount of health he gets back. Just like they over buffed top lane kench, and nerfed supoodt kench into the ground. Like I get people say kench was made as a top laner. I would say kench was created as a support champ due to his whole kit was based around his w, and his ult. Idk riot could think more about how they balance things. So yeah I 100% agree with you, and have stated that it was his passive was the issue. Even in bot lane his passive was ridiculously strong.

GankLord6/26/2019, 6:28:54 AM1 votes

Nah he's way too safe and also does way too much damage. Either one or the other and they decided to keep his safety in check.

Always angry tbh6/26/2019, 10:28:37 AM1 votes

I see people say that supports aren't supposed to be able to clear. Soraka Q, Morg W, Lux E, Janna Q, Zyra anything, Zilean bombs, Thresh flay, Taric E, Tahm devour spit, Rakan W. I can go on. A lot of supports have tools to shove the wave, and Morgana even focuses on harassing while shoving the wave in favorable match ups.

I have 92K on Pyke and every game where we do win lane I use my abilities to shove after a good fight several times. I feel like people don't see how much this will actually impact Pyke. It means you might not be able to shove a fat wave and deny the enemy as much as you would and thus you will have a harder time creating a lead or you will waste too much time to shove and will have to make a horrible back.

I do agree that his damage is too high. His E scales with 100% bonus AD which is a lot for someone who should need his team. They could've easily tweaked his damage, reduce his ult damage a bit early, slightly nerf his passive early but make it better later on (Where he is weaker, to compensate for the early nerfs).

I feel like you people don't understand how big of an impact removing ALL AOE from a champion's base abilities without good compensation actually is.

Also, I didn't say they need to gut his passive. As is, his passive is still unhealthy in lane. I occasionally run Unsealed Spellbook against comps with little CC and take Biscuit. I quite literally just don't run out of health. And even without biscuit, unless you go full monkey you will usually have more health than your lane opponents.

Always angry tbh6/27/2019, 3:09:58 PM1 votes

Well, he will still deal enough damage to 1shot adcs with a very small lead.

I'm not saying his damage should be gutted. It just doesn't feel right to walk into the river as a 2/0/1 Pyke and kill the ADC while they can only do 30% of your health. Coming from someone who played him a lot. By properly tackling his E damage a bit he will actually need his team until he starts snowballing out of control. I know he's aggressive but he just deals too much damage with his ult and everything combined to the point where he hardly needs his team too early. Nerfing his ult further won't do him any good either hence I'd prefer they take some damage out of his E which would also reduce wave clear

He will still be able to perform in solo lane if the player knows how to CS. Just gets Tiamat and i'll hardly make a difference. His passive is still the problem that allows him to Solo lane.

2 examples of things that are still gonna be problematic that they didn't tackle by removing the wave clear from his kit. This doesn't solve anything. It just takes away a tool that decent Pyke support players actually did utilize. I'm not saying this is the end of the world. I'm just saying it was unnecessary and doesn't fix the problem.

hrooza dota 6/26/2019, 5:37:50 AM1 votes

as a support pyke player i dont really care about E not hitting minions, i dont even use it for shoving as i mostly use it in the fight before or keep it in case of somebody coming , i would rather have this nerf to get rid of mid/top pykes then any other nerf as that will harm my support pyke the least

also doing anything to his passive will completely gut his supp role more then mid/top , you tend to get poked a lot bot lane with how often you fight a 550+ range adc and an enchantress/mage supp.

MiracleMorg946/26/2019, 4:18:48 AM1 votes

The E nerf is justified. He shouldn't be able to clear at all. This puts him in line with the REAL supports (I don't consider Pyke one).