Is there a reason....

Quinzac·2/17/2015, 1:21:10 AM·37 votes·1,962 views

That the boards are being swamped with legitimate complains about such issues like Mobility Champs dominating games, Veigar's ridiculous nerf, and the current state Jungle/Jungle Champs are in, and with all that, the chance of finding a Red Post in any of those threads is very minimal, AND that patch after patch, no changes are being made? Because I can't think of one.

31 Comments

DisasterSola2/17/2015, 1:27:32 AM15 votes

Hah. Do you seriously expect riot to spend their precious time talking down to fragging plebs like us? (Please realize the sarcasm...) Were nothing to them. Just an account number and a dollar sign.

If you want riots attention to twitter, reddit, or face book. They dont give a fragging damn about their own forums. Or their playerbase at this point. theyre to big to fail.

Profirix2/17/2015, 5:07:13 AM5 votes

Lets look at this from a balanced perspective. On one hand, you have the shift of Riot Games from a casual gaming company (pre-season 2) into an international sensation. Imaqtpie said it himself quite well in his Dignitas fairwell video that this change was the reason he left Dig in the first place. It changed the feeling of the game and he lost interest because League lost its casual feel.

On the other hand, QT also said that this change was necessary for League to succeed on a competitive circuit. I believe this is true for the most part. This however does not relieve Riot from their statement that they are trying to promote diversity in the lanes, and more specifically, the jungle. Granted, it is fairly early on in the season and I don't want to call them out too much until we are a little further along, but I am really struggling to enjoy this game when I am putting myself at a disadvantage as a jungle main if I don't pick 1 of 3 champions.

To this I beg Riot to consider what they are doing as far as replay desire is concerned. It gets harder and harder for me to want to play jungle or League for that matter and I know that there are many out there who share the feeling.

BallisticMouse2/17/2015, 4:17:54 AM4 votes

You want an honest answer? I'll give my honest opinion.

Everyone says Riot only cares about the LSC/Esports and LC$BIGPLAYS as a joke of sorts, I think it's true and im sure others do too. They make the champions used in the esports viable and the rest are forgotten normally.

Dengeden2/17/2015, 5:57:23 AM3 votes

Are you serious? Any red will get flamed, downvoted and misquoted. Why should they bother?

All these threads do is complain and offer no alternatives. There is a balancing issue but it won't be fixed by braindead nerfs. If you nerf the champs that are strong right now, you'll just have late game champs dominate everything (again) and even lower ratios. Every patch so far has had minor tweaks to try and balance the whole thing, instead of off-setting everything. Not that you care, champion X should have no AoE and 10 base damage on everything. That would totally fix the game...

Take your post as an example. Mobility champs dominating everything? That's a good thing, considering that the only champs without any mobility are a few oldschool mages, marksmen and tanks. So if mobility is really the problem (hint: it isn't), there are a few niche, off-meta champions. Big deal. Veigar change is a nerf? Firstly, you're not even talking about why the buffs they gave him are apparently negligible. Have you considered that they don't want to pull another Ahri with him? Nope just let's just antagonize Rito more :) Secondly, have you seen Veigar lately? Do you really think that leaving him be is fine? They're actually following your wishes and trying to not give him mobility and what do you do? You complain more.

flibitydoo2/17/2015, 7:23:23 PM3 votes

because the boards are designed in a similar manner to Reddit

where it is very easy for a topic to snowball and stay front paged because content by default is not sorted chronologically, and upvoting a post based on title/first post is very convenient.

And one of the things this community will never learn despite Riot constantly telling them, is that they will never respond to posts that shout "nerf X" . They have stated and have shown to respond to posts that say "nerf X, because Y, Z, and A reasons". They want depth in the posts they respond to. They want evidence and well thought out ideas. They've been telling us this long before boards became a thing.

We've all had conversations with bigots (people who don't listen and keep saying the same thing and never learning or accepting new ideas), and from experience, we all know that the conversation with this kind of person is useless because they refuse to change opinion, to look from a different perspective or accept new ideas. They'd rather just keep shouting "nerf X" until the day they die or until X finally does get nerfed. Even if new solutions are proposed, even if the new solutions work, they will continue to shout. It's childish and Riot doesn't want to communicate/respond to these conversations.

Valkorn DoA2/17/2015, 4:02:17 PM2 votes

Yep, there is. Because damned what the community wants, the mobility champs are too capable of making #LCSbigplays for them to care. We can tell them all we want about how the mega mobility creep has made the game completely unfun, but it's really just wasted letters on a forum.

360D3GR3SS2/17/2015, 1:52:55 AM2 votes

The zed attack speed nerf...RIP ZED

(this is a joke for those of you who take things too seriously)

Xengre2/17/2015, 4:07:07 AM2 votes

Nope, this sounds about par for the course. They would rather talk about things on Twitter and Reddit then here, anyways so if any such changes were to occur we wouldn't know until some random member spams in on the forums. Now waiting on Pendragon to come in here and claim they communicate on their own boards and get owned..., again. Actually, a post from Ryze would be fantastic. I would love to see what the dude has to say.

Grouchy Poro2/17/2015, 6:42:09 PM1 votes

It's because they'd stir the pot more than settle things down by replying to every QQ thread. That and most people voice their complaints in a cranky and often rude form which nobody really wants to reply to. If you've paid attention, Reds reply to things that would be beneficial to reply to, and things that aren't just people trying to start a circle jerk.

Even this response needs to be a bit toxic so you'll realize what's wrong. Be civil! Know they're human beings with jobs that can't spend every waking hour replying to your threads when their company might not be sure what they're doing. League is an evolving game. Adapt!Khazix

Silents4292/18/2015, 12:25:49 AM1 votes

Is there a reason you use a clickbait title for this? You aren't helping the situation at all.

ForgiveColour2/17/2015, 1:35:15 AM1 votes

lol i dont think rito will respond as long as there is still those lee/zed qq when kass/j4/vi/leblanc/liss/nid/irelia are getting a free pass

Athenes Lulu2/17/2015, 1:38:42 AM1 votes

People are doing it in hopes of getting a response. Or they lurk around and just watch over people discussing.

Turns out that Rioters hardly checked anywhere on Boards.

Yandere Carry2/17/2015, 3:43:40 AM1 votes

the Reason: They aren't all that legitimate (or in many cases not already posted multiple times)

TheI3igDaddy2/17/2015, 5:10:47 AM1 votes

Riot will only care about their game's health once another serious MOBA competitor tries to oust them. Right now it seems Heroes of the Storm and Smite (I may be forgetting some others; LoL's the only one I try to play) have a chance, but until they get close to League, Riot seems to really just rake in the money first and give an actual shit about their game's health second.

Shardbearer2/17/2015, 3:40:56 PM1 votes

Most likely because you can't just do sweeping changes with no data and it is a terrible idea to throw a ton of changes into a single patch during a live season.

Old Man Teeto2/17/2015, 4:05:28 PM1 votes

Riot will do what they feel is right for their image of game health.

Whether a section of their fanbase supports their image, or screams against it, doesn't matter to them so long as it's not a total alienation.


Almost every change Riot has done has helped solo-que rambo's who don't want coordination, teamwork, to outweigh individual personal skill.

When you cater to the largest audience, you make the most profit. The minority posts here, and most likely pays the least.

Jasiwel2/17/2015, 4:16:12 PM1 votes

From a dev's perspective, I think some of them are simply not interested in replying to some threads because of how crazy and wild this forum can become. Whether or not we want their input, you have to keep in mind that constantly dogging them about their performance doesn't make them want to come back to us, probably because a lot of replies to them can be really condescending or outright asinine. How would you feel if all you constantly got in terms of feedback was negativity and criticism? We've given them a lot of feedback on possibly improving the game, but at the same time we've basically pushed them away because of how angry/frustrated/upset we've come off as...then we become even more so after they don't reply as often as we want.

Part of the problem with their involvement here is that lot of us are assmad, raging nerds. Even if our arguments are valid, it can cause a good number of devs to feel anxious or discouraged, which can distort their context or give them really unnecessary pressure.

That said, the lack of Morello and Ghostcrawler is a bit weird. I remember before these forums became The Boards, Morello/GC/Xypherous would reply quite often and even ask how our lives were doing late at night. That's just gone now, which is really saddening given the point of these new Boards was to further that communication.

One last note: many devs do not post because they are either working (on something), spending time with their families, playing vidya games (they're nerds too!) or (probably) sleeping.