Swain is a balanced champion in a game where almost no champions are balanced and are all extremely overpowered.
It's like they took the design philosophy for his rework from season 1-2 league.
So if he is balanced and no one else is, this means he is bad, very VERY bad, perhaps even one of the worst.
Swain needs another rework sorry.
It's like they took the design philosophy for his rework from season 1-2 league.
He's a crap rework, with crap numbers.
Is someone following me to f*cking downvote me or something? In what universe is the above not logical and reasonable.
idk why everyone hates swain i swear a moment where someone tries to rise him up and everyone is like no he isn't balanced, ill tell you why cause riot cares only to keep the popular champs that sell skin on top than actually make the game playable and enjoyable for everyone, lets not deny they gutted him and changed his entire concept to fit a niche no one was looking for because someone go it in there head to make him support like he had always been a mid laner. he has been notoriously under powered since his rework even when they play him in the pros you hardly see the team that plays him win every move is skill shot base and his cc is unreliable yes you can play him and offer good team fights not saying you cant but when u can do it easier and not without so much extra flash why would anyone bother with him. like i swear they could've made him great and kept true to him.
Legit now they are going to leave him as is cause he doesn't have enough of a following and even those who funny when they reworked him they bragged how obscure he was and out of date and that he needed the rework to get more play and legit his win rate is worse it isn't even consistent. he is a short range champed with no proper escapes any more or a viable way to survive. so yes he is trash tier with good team fighting and that is if he isn't worked to bad laning phase. i should know i've played him enough he use to be a monster with obvious flaws now is unreliable damage that if dodged cant complete kills, where there are adc's tops, assasins, even tanks one shoting u out-sustaining you which was supposed reason his ult was an issue funny how adcs like jinx or draven are not hit with those or now kayle. Lets not even mention garen's or yi's, yasuo's or zeds though technically they are finally paying attention to his dmg this patch but those are a short list of unbalanced champs don't even get me started on irellia broken ass champ. He is trash whether y'all want to admit it or not cause trust me when you are starting a game i bet you you don't think oh swain we need to ban him.
He's brilliant in the toplane. I'd be scared to advocate buffing him because he actually can be super duper unfair up there as it stands.
I'm an M7 
, finally have been feeling I body it as well on the new one as the old - and he's really still pretty good, people. But you have to play very patiently, use your wave properly and know the tricks (like shooting champions with a Q through minions) and his builds well.
He's always been a technical champion - with all respect to people who said the old one was too fire-and-forget, feast-on-the-melees, that has only ever been true midgame and later on him. He's always had a relatively weak level 1-2 in both versions, and a tough game before either 
or 
generally - and part of the challenge of playing the new version successfully is getting him up to a place where he has a rank 4-5 Q and his 
and can really start to compete. You've always had to understand wave management and vision and the power of all-ins and where you can and can't on him, because he's always been an off-tank ranged battlemage who starts out extremely squishy. But he is a drain tank, long one of the more oppressive League designs, and a good will start absolutely locking down all facets of counterplay in many matchups after so much as a reasonable lead on first back in the toplane.
I continue to think he does not need buffs, and that instead more players need to watch some LCS-level to understand how he combos abilities to manage waves from early on in the game to create opportunities and full combos for himself.
Don't get me wrong, my dark side could be induced to support buffs for really easily.
[slayer-jinx-wink]
But it would allllll be in my own self-interest and that just wouldn't be right.
EDIT: Thinking about it more, the one buff I would actually support would be buffing his W damage versus minions, as the oppressive 50% penalty on it keeps his waveclear low and that just seems out of character with a champion who is a general and should understand the importance of pushing. I think its long cooldown gives enough of a tradeoff with the loss of using it for vision, objective steals and full combos to keep it strategic without the large penalty. Even then, though, keeping balance would probably have to have him give something up somewhere else; it would be a boon to newer players to allow the W to be used to help clear big waves late or caster minions early, but I and others who main him would certainly feast on that option too, and he might start getting calls to be nerfed in the toplane again.
