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I'm sick of all the janna and lulu hate

parrot6632·8/21/2017, 2:51:34 PM·124 votes·8,953 views

Playing an enchanter support does NOT mean -I'm brainless -I'm boosted -I'm a meta slave -I'm an elo whore -I have no skill

What it does mean -I like saving allies and helping others -I enjoy the playstyle of support

So lets talk about this shall we?

I would welcome duration nerfs or nerfs that impose a higher skill floor/cap. I would love a high skill enchanter support similar to thresh. (nami taric and rakan sort of fill this niche)

And honestly my preferred nerf would be duration nerfs to shields and compensatory buffs elsewhere because i know that it would only be a buff to me Right now a 5 second shield for janna feels like an unecessary use of power budget to me and i would welcome more power elsewhere And i have no doubt that you guys would start raging again the moment the enemy adc is saved by a janna who shielded when you triple shurikend and now you're back to the boards to complain

/end rant

260 Comments

Sujiren8/21/2017, 2:56:51 PM76 votes

There is nothing wrong with those champs, its the op overloaded item they abuse which is ardent censer.

Emelie Cauchemar8/21/2017, 5:59:52 PM38 votes

I play in diamond and the difference in skill of support mains ((Janna/Lulu mains especially vs others is actually pretty noticeable.))

Just to give you an idea:

Most diamond players in autofill know how to trade/be aggressive/where to be at for EXP range and to make trades.

2.Most autofills will typically play what's needed, or what they might possibly not feed on.

Will typically roam and gank top.

When support gets autofilled anywhere.

Often lose lane in first 15 seconds.
Can't cs at all.
If they're on jungle it's honestly just GG. Half of them die in the jungle.
Don't know how to make trades, or auto attack.
Have no idea how to build.
Do not know where the EXP range is.
Don't know when to back

I've noticed in particular that Janna mains are the most guilty of this. Outside of pressing E for Ardent Censer and Qing most peoples dashes Janna players actually are God awful at the game and lack 90% of the fundamentals that make most other players diamond. The best part is, most Janna players actually aren't even that good at Janna either. Janna in essence is actually a broken support, however most Jannas lose lane because the very skills they're supposed to possess to win lanes such as the Leona lane/Braum lane/Thresh lane /Alistar lane do not exist on said players. To make matters worse, the Janna mains are often the most toxic of the entire team. They're also the angry chinese player magnet. I know that sounds racist and all of that. But being told "cao ni ma" "SB" every 15 seconds by a Janna player under turret outside of EXP range gets old after the 800th time. Especially in D3-2 range where you're supposed to get "nice/good" players.

My general conclusion is that Janna players are just outright worse than all other players of their MMR.

TheBentOn38/21/2017, 5:00:42 PM20 votes

Some champs are playmakers and some champions are for shutting down playmakers.

It's immensely satisfying when the hyper mobile edge lord tries to style on your ADC, gets turned into a bunny and winds up deleted. Thier tears in all chat sustain me.

Almighty8/21/2017, 6:09:18 PM12 votes

I just want to hug you for making this post.

People are trying to make us support mains look like bigger cancer than the Yasuo/Lee/Riven mains. But when we are on their team, protecting them, shielding, healing and peeling, we're all of a sudden praised.

Also, another stupid stereotype: When people think that all support mains are girls. I literally had one game where we lost, but i got 4 honors by the 4-man premade, because they expected to see some explicit content.

Player 1: Janna send nudes? ;) Almighty: I can't. D**k won't fit on the camera. Player 1: FU

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Based on true stories.

Almighty.

Noblewind8/21/2017, 4:40:02 PM12 votes

I never really saw these champions as being super easy to play, it's just that playing against them feels SO bad at times.

Janna for instance just negates most of your potential to trade during the laning phase. It's like this slow grind of them being able to fight you, and you can't fight back.

Lost R8/21/2017, 6:12:01 PM11 votes

I could write my own lengthy thread about this issue, but to summarize it, Janna and Lulu are really good at combating the current climate of League that has festered it for years now, and this goes back to my long, long, long, long, LONG track record of bashing overspecialized teams. Teams composed mostly or even ENTIRELY of AD melee assassins and ADCs get crushed easily when they meet a hard counter, and when I say hard counter, I mean so much as a single skill could ruin all of their plans forever, and there are dozens of those kinds of skills in the champion roster overall.

In the current climate, people want to get all of the kills and pentakills forever, and no matter the champion, they use only one tactic; bum rush them no matter where they are and kill them in one burst. If it doesn't work, continue doing it, even though each failed attempt makes it difficult every subsequent try.

It's the tactic of a rabid mongrel.

Lulu has the arsenal of slows and crowd control at her disposal combined with all of her buffs and of course has the best synchronization with the Censer (not getting it with her is like not getting a Thornmail for Rammus. Like why would you do that?). She can also highlight targets with Pix (extending the range of her Q, which is a line slow that can fire in complicated directions), polymorph enemies making them temporarily helpless, and ult allies with a field slow, health boost and a crowd knock-up, giving them one hell of a mulligan as they fight back with their second wind or use the temporary chaos as an opportunity to run the hell away.

Janna has her line knock-up, which can temporarily immobilize an entire lane of minions (and later in the game can wipe out an entire line, allowing her to defend a lane by herself), her passive mobility that allows her to zip across the map with blazing speed, her targeted slow, a powerful shield that gives a huge amount of bonus attack damage, and of course the field knockback and crowd heal that can give an entire team a second wind in a fight (PUN INTENDED).

Are they overpowered at the moment? Probably, but it's really difficult to tell when the opposition is playing directly into the strengths of these supports.

SpiritOfOdysseus8/21/2017, 8:35:26 PM11 votes

No matter what you shouldn't hate the player because they are going out of their way to support others, point blank period. I'm sick of all these complainers and am genuinely convinced no matter what someone will start a bitch-bandwagon even if riot listens to every single complaint and acts on it.

So heres you guys' options:

A: Supports get nerfed and find it even more difficult to find someone to support your games

or

B: Things stay the way they are and players actually play support

But regardless, someone somewhere will find something to complain about instead of adapting to the meta.

Penns8/21/2017, 2:56:57 PM11 votes

Playing an enchanter support does NOT mean -I'm brainless -I'm boosted -I'm a meta slave -I'm an elo whore -I have no skill

https://youtu.be/t6m6g5y1bQs?t=2m20s

Nymzo8/21/2017, 3:47:53 PM10 votes

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I would welcome duration nerfs or nerfs that impose a higher skill floor/cap. I would love a high skill enchanter support similar to thresh. (nami taric and rakan sort of fill this niche)

Nerfs won't archieve anything, we would need a major rework on every single enchanter to archieve this.

Also btw, only Nami is a pure enchanter, Taric is a hybrid and Rakan is a Catcher.

ZT Xperimentor8/21/2017, 7:54:29 PM4 votes

The sheep who hate them avoid considering why they're becoming popular picks again. They're good against people who want to dive in, simple as that.

WoonStruck8/21/2017, 5:44:02 PM4 votes

I'm not. Keep it coming.

Devilreaper XIII8/21/2017, 3:10:21 PM4 votes

idk about janna, janna takes skill to properly play, but lulu is just plain op, lots of players might have difficulty playing against such champs, since their kits are overloaded with support abilities, on top of that lulu does massive damage, so yeah the hate is real, i mainly play support role, but as zilean or zyra or even malzahar :P

thinking about playing alistar and galio sup now O.O

DEMAGLIOOOOOOOOO8/22/2017, 12:19:25 AM4 votes

I've played my share of support over the years and understand how much discipline goes into the role. I think one reason people always think support has no skill are people who either are bad at support/don't play it at all. It's easy to mock something that you have never failed at for yourself and realized it's not as simple as it looks.

But just because you can learn the mechanics faster doesn't mean that being a good Janna , Lulu , Soraka etc. stops there. Actually I find playing Lulu and using all my abilities optimally and using my item actives to be incredibly exhausting mechanically, or constantly checking back and forth to make sure I am using my Soraka heals on the optimal targets for where I want the teamfight to go.

and then you're not even getting into parts of the game support players are generally better at, like macro and your ward sense tingling. Even if you "master" a champion's kit, you just use that extra brain energy in other parts of the game.

Stuff like babysitting your puppy ADC to make sure he doesn't get lost again, or holding a therapy session to your feisty top laner to get him/her to stop literally INTing

Daedric Etwahl8/22/2017, 2:07:10 AM3 votes

Honestly I just don't want to be attacked for being a Sona main anymore... I just enjoy playing Sona,

Stand Behind Mé8/22/2017, 8:03:19 AM3 votes

The reason why I play those champions IS because I'm a elo whore, if you wanna gain elo as support right now, play something that can ardent censor

[slayer-jinx-catface]

its boring, but its the only way to gain elo, don't blame the player, blame the game

(ノಥ,_｣ಥ)ノ彡┻━┻

Theorchero8/22/2017, 6:18:57 AM1 votes

Playing a brain dead, extremely strong passive champion that thrives on mitigating any meaningful reaction means all of those things above.

At the moment, you can spam Janna and get to low diamond if you're stuck in gold. Just ban blitzcrank and you're good to go. You can carry even the worst adc just by giving them a fuckton of free stats by pressing E. There really isn't any skill involved. Janna has skill determinations only on her Q usage, which 90% of the time is better not channeled, and her ult usage.

That's it. 80% of the power of this champion just comes from sitting in the back near your adc and spamming E on them while running around. A remotely competent Janna is never going to die from any standard engage champion, it takes extremely powerful displacement or an extremely awful player to kill her.

None of the powerful supports right now (Janna, Nami, Lulu, Soraka) require really any skill, like really. You cannot honestly with any seriousness or fair argument try and claim otherwise.