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Anyone else feel like duo queue is impossible?

Volgaria·5/3/2017, 7:25:25 PM·1 votes·1,215 views

I don't know why I do this to myself, but I usually duo queue with a friend, and we almost ALWAYS lose. Especially if I don't play mid or anything. My last few games, I feel like I myself did well (i know, team game) but the team seems absolutely uncarriable. No, I'm not saying I'm #1, team = shit i should be diamond etc etc. Just saying I seem to get the absolute WORST team mates when I duo queue. Like, significantly worse than should be possible. I know there is supposed to be something in place to counter act the duo advantage, but this seems impossible.

4 Comments

Tormentula5/3/2017, 7:29:22 PM1 votes

DuoQing messes with your MMR resulting in playing with lower MMR players or alternatively higher MMR enemies. You as a duo can be good, but it does put strain on the rest of the game (you figure you're jungle duo with a top, but then soloq bot lane is losing to a duo Q, or vice versa.)

I will say I never duo q'd this season cause I just wanted a pure solo experience, but I did play a couple, and I noticed a significant change in MMR and divisions the moment I went in solo (because my MMR evened out adjusted to his). Took me about 3 games to get back into what felt like a soloq game.

Mysticman895/3/2017, 7:50:45 PM1 votes

Theres a couple factors why this may feel like the case.

First, if you and your duo partner aren't extremely close in mmr, it's going result in being matched with/against people around the average of your mmrs, so players are going to be worse than the better of you in theory.

Additionally, it'll try to match you against a duo as well, who again might have their own mmr mismatch. While both sides might have e.g. a gold 1 player, a gold 5 player, and 3 gold 3 players, the lane match up could very well end up with the gold 1 stomping on the opposing gold 5 and getting quite fed off it, while the other gold 1 is facing a gold 3 and not doing quite as well. The particular roles can also make a difference too, as some roles are able to have more early impact than others.

Also, theres lots of kinds of duos. Some people are just two casual friends who like playing with one another, others are two more serious friends on voice comms and more actively calling plays, and of course there are duos where one person is a smurf with skills well beyond their rank, and depending on which category you fall into, you'll need to be wary of people from later groups occasionally popping up.

If matchmaking doesn't find a duo to match you against, it does give your teams mmr a small bump to compensate for the extra communication advantage you have, so the enemy team will be slightly stronger in individual skill levels on average, but since they don't have the extra communication it should be 'fair'. The solo players might find themselves slightly outmatched though, and if you're not actually leveraging your duo comms, you may find yourself individually outmatched too.

How they 'should' matchmake premades is debatable (some feel they should be matchmade as normal since they're just playing with friends and not being super serious, others feel there should be artificial mmr adjustments to account for comms so it's not just 'which team has the better premade'), but they've tweaked it a lot over the years and feel like they've got things adjusted so it's roughly 50% winrate instead of premades having a clear advantage or disadvantage compared to solos.

Dojo5/3/2017, 9:20:28 PM1 votes

dude...

this game is just bad. very bad. extremely bad. but there are people that are good in a very bad game... and that's bad lol. I mean that it's bad that there's a bad game with good players. It just doesn't treat the skills properly, it doesn't fill them in the right place. and in all honesty this game have been in like, idk how many years of development, and it's still bad. And it's very funny that it's like that because you would expect a game like this from first sight would seem good and enjoyable. Yes it is enjoyable in some ways and good in some ways. But the major issue atm is matchmaking. right now i'm diamond 5. i kinda carried from gold to dia in 2 or 3 weeks. Oh and btw i'm not that type of guy who really likes ranked, but recently i wanted to show off my skills and see where my place would be in ranked so i just did alot. anyways i got to diamond, and boy i tell ya... SHIT changed... alot... people say plat 1 is the same as diamond 5... those people are idiots who ever says that, because that is not true. in diamond it's really a coinflip, it really is. you encounter more bad players than less. you got role mains in your team that somehow lose a lane they master so good. why does this happen? well humans aren't perfect, but humans learn and adapt. and idk why but in league they just don't LEARN and ADAPT. people are just somewhat handicapped from learning and adapting. but is the game or the players are bad? well it's both lol. this game really is luck based. a dangerous game of roulette this is. but for some reason, people say that "luck" is actual factor... well, what's more important, luck or skill? pretty sure in this game skill is. but since the matchmaking is bad and you can't carry with your current skills (also you become better once you keep ranking up, people who are stuck in silver or gold can't carry because they are just in a rank where they've seen everything to it. some deserve higher, some don't). so luck takes the bigger role and really curb stomps your skill. luck can't be a factor in this game because it's not meant to be in this game. just like i typed before, this game has been many years of development, and it's still bad.

to sum it all up and taking a few redundent things. all i can say is this:

this game is bad, and it's getting worse. since it's like that, in order to progress you must have luck on your side (somehow). in diamond elo, luck takes a big role from all ranks from my expirience.

and that's it.

i'll give you tips that i come up with that maybe can help you:

1: duo with a friend that you trust is good (and has mmr like yours, even tho duo is kinda bad for you in terms of mmr.) 2: main every role. 3: learn every champ to their basics (your main champs can be higher ofcourse) 4: pray to god riot will fix this game lol 5: LEARN AND ADAPT.

I don't promise you that this will make you win games. just like i said: luck is the role in this game, and heck no one can control it.

may luck be apon thee.

Volgaria5/4/2017, 5:43:30 PM1 votes

Yeah the mismatched MMR plays a huge role, and seems to be lopsided against me most of the time (maybe I'm just biased). Normally if I duo I will get every lane just dying most of the time or far behind while I'll go even or win lane. Again, not stroking my own dick here just saying that the MMR doesn't seem fair, it puts me against lower people sometimes and the people on my team are also lower and get stomped :(