Riot, Your Entry on Zed in the Patch Notes is Appalling

Nuclear Corvid·1/15/2015, 11:58:05 AM·147 votes·8,537 views

For two, fairly major reasons.

Reason #1:

Ah, Zed. With your amazing plays topping many a competitive player's highlight reel, how could we not love you?

Riot is basically acknowledging that they will favor champions with LC$BIGPLAYS potential.

Reason #2:

All in all, Zed is one of the best examples of what we call a "healthy assassin" in League of Legends.

combined with

That doesn't mean there aren't problems - while Zed's ability to delete squishies with a button press and some smooth moves is going to remain intact,

Riot thinks that it's healthy to be able to kill someone by pressing a button, as well as being able to simultaneously commit fully while leaving an easy, free escape and therefore not actually committing, and being extremely difficult to gank in lane.

Seriously. What the heck?

213 Comments

Serpents Embrace1/15/2015, 1:39:24 PM95 votes

You know whats the real irony in the text from Riot? They state they like that he can delete squishies with a press of a button, however they nerf DFG - an active item thats part of a combo to delete people.

So Zed beeing able to 1 shot is cool but a mage having to use DFG is no counterplay? Am i missing something?

Wheatloaf1/15/2015, 3:25:21 PM31 votes

They finally admit Zed is too strong, say they're going to nerf him, and the first thing you think to do is nit-pick about how they worded the message?

Drunk Rummate1/15/2015, 2:46:16 PM26 votes

Wtf is the problem with you people?

The notes addressed that Zed has a problem, stated that they hadn't experimented with a fix yet, and that he's going to be tinkered with? And you have issues because they tried to word it in an interesting way? The way those patch notes are written is one of the best parts about reading a new Riot patch.

TheI3igDaddy1/15/2015, 7:11:33 PM8 votes

'Same thing they did with Lucian.

"O-okay guys we can uh...we do realize that he's strong, REALLY, we do...so we're uh...we're TRYING to find some way to nerf him. I mean his passive hits like a truck...eh...we'll nerf his W's AD ratio."

They'll probably do the same with Zed and nerf parts of him that people aren't complaining about. Do what that glorious bastard said in the other thread, and make his shurikens act the same way as Lux's binding, so he doesn't have really stupid waveclear anymore. It's a start, at least.

Toothless Lion1/15/2015, 12:00:14 PM8 votes

Boo hoo muh ranged cancer has counters.

Lao Fu the Tiger1/15/2015, 6:30:27 PM7 votes

OP, I respectfully but wholeheartedly disagree with your post.

Riot is basically acknowledging that they will favor champions with LC$BIGPLAYS potential.

And this is a problem? Is the fact people enjoy using or watching certain champions who make flashy plays in and of itself problematic? No. It's not. It's not about the "LC$BIGPLAYS" that make Zed annoying, it's strictly his overbearing strength with the current iteration of in-game balance.

All in all, Zed is one of the best examples of what we call a "healthy assassin" in League of Legends.

Judging by the quotation marks, I, too, can see that Riot was "totally serious" when they said he was "'healthy.'" This is sarcasm, clearly. But let's look at what it's combined with, as you said, because that's more important. You complained about this:

That doesn't mean there aren't problems - while Zed's ability to delete squishies with a button press and some smooth moves is going to remain intact...

And Veigar can't? And Katarina can't? And Annie can't? And Talon can't? And Master Yi can't? And LeBlanc can't? And [insert other assassins or carries here] can't?

The point makes no sense. Riot said nothing about keeping his escape totally intact. Riot made no claims that he wouldn't get hit with nerfs that made him more balanced and fun and strategic to play as and against. Riot simply said that Zed, classed as an assassin, will still maintain his ability to assassinate squishies, as that is the primary job of an assassin. Furthermore, with possibly the exceptions of Master Yi and Katarina (and Akali, possibly), this means that once their load is blown on said squishy, they are left with an even less than optimal kill and teamfight potential. As much as those Zed shurikens hurt, after he's used his Death Mark, he ONLY has those shurikens. And as a squishy melee, he's super vulnerable to simply jumping into a teamfight without that ultimate, regardless of how powerful he is. This is a distinct disadvantage of most (not all) assassins, and it's a very clear weakness. What does Talon do once he loses his ult? Spams W until someone steps out and he can E in again. What does Akali do without her ult? Sits around and watches the teamfight from afar with minimal impact until she gets a new charge.

So yes, he will maintain his ability to delete super squishy targets, like an ADC, if they get in range and are out of position, as is his role as an assassin. Just like all other assassins.

As another member stated, Riot has clearly pointed out that his kit is very problematic in the current iteration of game balance. It's not fair of you to nit-pick the way they chose to word it, especially when they're doing their best to make these patch notes interesting to read rather than the pages and pages of bland documentation that they truly are underneath it all.

Flay and Pray1/15/2015, 4:24:43 PM6 votes
  1. Zed makes flashy plays, whether or not you like him, we can agree on that. Your taking what riot said completely out of context. When they say "With all your flashy plays how can we not like you..." they are not saying they favor him due to this, but almost everyone that plays him plays him for this reason.

  2. Zed is one of the healthiest assassins in the game. I completely agree with riot on this one. He has an ult that can be countered that requires using his other abilities to make use of it to destroy squishys. After his ult is on CD it's very hard for him to burst other champs unless fed. This is what assassins should be. While I think his laning phase is a bit too oppressive, and he is in need of some nerfs, he's still relatively healthy for the game.

  3. Once again, your freaking out over the ability for an assassin to instantly kill squishys. However, unlike some other assassins, zed cannot do so with a single button press. Can he kill someone with nothing but pressing R? No, it wouldn't do anything. He needs to stick to the target for several seconds, making sure to go in only when he has enough energy for a combo. If you want to complain about a champ that one shots squishys with one button complain about veigar.

Some people in this player base are just never happy. They say they are going to nerf him, admit he's too strong and your complaining about how they agree with you. But I guess, this is inevitable in a community as large as LoL.

Seviang1/15/2015, 2:04:23 PM5 votes

Riot is basically acknowledging that they will favor champions with LC$BIGPLAYS potential.

I think that's only logical for them, since those types of champs are the most fun to play. High skill cap champions with interesting mechanics are fun, they are nearly all of the most popular champions, so it makes perfect sense that Riot wants to have more champions like Zed, Thresh, Braum, Lucian, Lee Sin, etc.

metaworldpeace101/15/2015, 7:37:24 PM4 votes

Last night I had a game where our banner did not ban Zed. The other team captain had first pick. He first picked Zed. Our team captain locked in AP MF mid. Needless to say, the Zed got futt bucked so hard that we rolled over him. I laughed a little and hoped that this AP MF killed the confidence of another FOTM mid lane assassin main. Thank you AP MF! You saved many souls yesterday from cancer.

SmokingPuffin1/15/2015, 5:30:19 PM4 votes

We already knew Riot prefers exciting, playmaking champions. Why shouldn't they?

We also know that when Riot nerfs champions, they don't mess with the calling card if at all possible. Instead they trim back power in areas where it's still impactful, but not so central to the champion fantasy.

In my view, these are pretty good design instincts.

I am sad they didn't mention his incredible safety margin, which for me is the big problem with his design.

Guy Fox Teemo1/16/2015, 1:26:18 AM3 votes

I really do find it funny that people are complaing about Zed. Why the fck didn't you complain about him when he was released why didn't you all those months i certainly dont remember before chalice nerf every other thread being a Zed is "OP". Now just because mages got nerfed. And none mana champions are in favor and Zed is being played more everyones like "ZED IS OP AS FCK" When in reality he's never been OP and still isn't he's just the best at what he does. And Zeds always been like that killing someone quick and getting out easy. But no people dont complain until there champions get nerfed and they just move onto the next best thing. People seem to have this mentality that if a champions doing the best at somethings he's OP. Because no there not. If you nerf them another champ will step up and be the best at it. Then they'll be nerfed and so on.

U4fyn2vZzW1/16/2015, 9:58:50 AM3 votes

Idk man i think Zed is also the heatheist assassin.

Think of it this way, would you rather a Zed get fed or a Akali/Fizz get fed? Because if Zed gets fed atleast only one of you is going to die most of the time.

DanyTargaryn1/16/2015, 3:04:14 PM3 votes

"ZED" and "BALANCE" do not belong in the same sentence Rito. Stop your champ favoritism for your own personal LCS agenda.

Uiru1/16/2015, 10:34:24 AM2 votes

Riot thinks it's funny to reference broken champions in patch notes while nerfing random champions for absolutely no reason.

Why doesn't Riot just post the list of champs that they want us to play? We already know Lee Sin, Zed, and Thresh are on it, but we need at least two more. (And, conversely, they hate people playing Sona, which is why the senseless nerf train continues.) ~Uiru

Akesgeroth1/16/2015, 10:38:40 AM2 votes

Take it from someone who was there when assassins were useless: Remove that insta gib potential and suddenly marksmen are unstoppable past the 45/minutes mark.

DeathToEcchi1/16/2015, 1:54:18 PM2 votes

He's considered healthy cause QSS and Zhonya's exist. Otherwise they'd have destroyed him long ago.

Asdeft1/16/2015, 10:01:50 AM2 votes

Is that all league of legends players do is bitch. moan and act entitled to shit.

straight4free1/16/2015, 5:19:22 AM2 votes

Of course, they wouldn't even dare roll out some numbers nerfs for these assassins now, lest we actually enjoy ourselves in mid lane.

Arveanor1/15/2015, 7:42:06 PM2 votes

Zed's powerful, but as someone who doesn't play him, I am completely baffled as to how you could possibly find him unhealthy. Sure he's got a lot of safety, but they didn't say that they are going to completely ignore that, now did they? Overall I think it's completely true that he's a pretty well designed assassin.

Oh and, wow you have something deep in your anus if you can get mad about riot saying they want to nerf a champion you want nerfed, simply because they might not nerf him as hard as you like.